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    Re: Rumours: Ravens offer a third round pick for Osi



    Quote Originally Posted by runrayrun27 View Post
    I've wanted Odom since last year. Health is an issue, but if he's healthy he's a solid DE, cheaper and fits better than Osi.

    Did the Bungles play a 3-4 when he was there? :S Is he a 5 tech DE?
    No, but he can play 5-technique.
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    Re: Rumours: Ravens offer a third round pick for Osi

    I don't think the 5 technique in any way takes advantaged of his skills...he would primarily be a pass rush specialist here.




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    Re: Rumours: Ravens offer a third round pick for Osi

    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlacco View Post
    But what about this reasoning:

    Couple of things to consider: First, we're likely to get several compensatory picks next year. Probably a 3rd for Grubbs, a 4th for JJ and a couple of fifths or sixths for Haruki and Zibby (Have we signed any unrestricted FAs that would offset any of those guys?). Also, as somebody alluded to, we likely won't re-sign Osi because somebody will offer him big money elsewhere...in which case we would likely get a compensatory pick in return (perhaps a 3rd or a 4th). What's the risk if we have extra picks next year and we would get a comparable pick in return when Osi signs elsewhere in 2013? That said, I'm not sure why the Giants would deal him for a draft pick that's in a similar round as the compensatory pick they'll get in return after this season...unless they're just totally fed up with his BS and they're ready to move on asap.
    I'm with you on this. On paper it looks compelling but the problem I have is the assumption that we will get so many compensatory picks in this round, that round etc. Compensatory picks are based on, among other things playing time and productivity correct? Too many wildcards here.




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    Re: Rumours: Ravens offer a third round pick for Osi

    Quote Originally Posted by BleedPurple92 View Post
    Doubt this happens....

    Isn't Osi still looking for a big contract? Yeah no. Pass please.
    He came out and said that he will keep his current contract if he get traded. He wants out of NY that bad I guess.
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    Re: Rumours: Ravens offer a third round pick for Osi

    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    I agree. Suggs may be gone for the season, or at least an appreciable amount of time. Osi has 40 sacks over the last 4 years (69 in his 8 year career). With the high hopes this team has, adding a veteran like him for a 3rd round draft choice, would be a good deal for us...even if we didn't get any comp in 2013. I want the Ravens to win the upcoming Super Bowl, Osi may help us do that, so let's let 2013 take care of itself... Bc
    I would like to add one thing to the discussion. Suggs may be back at some point during the season but with no offseason workouts, then playing right after this injury, I would believe we will not see the 2011 Suggs but perhaps a 75% or so player. I doubt you see a defensive POY anytime in 2012 from him. Not a knock on him but just a realistic expectation for someone coming back from an injury




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    Re: Rumours: Ravens offer a third round pick for Osi

    Quote Originally Posted by JettRavensSuperPup View Post
    I would like to add one thing to the discussion. Suggs may be back at some point during the season but with no offseason workouts, then playing right after this injury, I would believe we will not see the 2011 Suggs but perhaps a 75% or so player. I doubt you see a defensive POY anytime in 2012 from him. Not a knock on him but just a realistic expectation for someone coming back from an injury
    Jett, that's why I agree with you. Suggs is a ?, but Osi is ready to play... Bc




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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    I like Odom as long as he's healthy. He's a fragile guy
    agreed. No doubting his ability when healthy (8 sacks in 6 games last time he was). hopefully he can last at minimum 10 weeks. Once again i dont think him or Osi are guys wed want longer than this year. Soon as suggs is back to speed their PT will shrink immensely. Im assuming when (which i think is pretty much a given at this point) he is that hes only used on obvious running downs and not used as a primary PR at all this year, where hell need that explosiveness that hes going to be lacking.
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    Re: Rumours: Ravens offer a third round pick for Osi

    Quote Originally Posted by LC_Ravens_87 View Post
    Exactly. Giants have all the leverage with Osi. Any team that wants him is going to have to overpay significantly.
    Not totally. The Giants would get a pick in 2013 not comp pick that will be later pick number in 2014. Also, if traded Giants clear 4 million in cap space, they need cap space.




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    Re: Rumours: Ravens offer a third round pick for Osi

    Why it makes sense.
    Consider our DL/OLB situation
    Kruger-lb/de never been a starter
    McPhee-situational guy never been a starter
    Jones-really 2nd year guy never been starter
    Kindle-complete unknown commodity
    McBean-3 game suspension-how good is he? Wave guy.
    Upshaw-rookie
    Suggs-might miss half season
    McAdoo-?????

    What we lost
    Suggs- 8 games?
    Redding experienced starter
    JJ - solid Olb experienced starter

    I see alot of new players in new roles and ? marks.
    They need a veteran to stabilize the front and push the young guys who we don't know how they play in new roles. Especially, vs the quality of QB's we face.
    Plus, what if injuries hit? Osi gives you versatility and
    Experience- he has played in a lot of big games?

    3rd rounder is worth it. Way to much change up front
    and a new DC.




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    Re: Rumours: Ravens offer a third round pick for Osi

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    Not totally. The Giants would get a pick in 2013 not comp pick that will be later pick number in 2014. Also, if traded Giants clear 4 million in cap space, they need cap space.
    What do they need cap space for? Who is it they have to sign? It's true that the comp pick would be in 2014 but if any player has a shot at a 3rd round comp pick it's Osi who will get good money and produces a ton of sacks. The only possible reason the Giants would trade Osi would be if they got a deal they couldn't refuse.
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    Re: Rumours: Ravens offer a third round pick for Osi

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    What do they need cap space for? Who is it they have to sign? It's true that the comp pick would be in 2014 but if any player has a shot at a 3rd round comp pick it's Osi who will get good money and produces a ton of sacks. The only possible reason the Giants would trade Osi would be if they got a deal they couldn't refuse.
    The Giant media was the one that said they would take a 3rd for him. They are real close to the cap now with rookies. They might want to lock up Cruz and add bodies. But you dont want to go to camp with no cap space in case injuries occur, you need some room.




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    Re: Rumours: Ravens offer a third round pick for Osi

    Jerry Reese holds all of the cards and isn't going to move Osi unless it's a deal that they can't refuse.

    In fact, Osi and his agent can spout off all they want. They did the same thing last year and the year before IIRC. Jerry Reese and Tom Coughlin didn't blink and they got a SB out of it.

    I doubt they move him at all. They don't have to.
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    Re: Rumours: Ravens offer a third round pick for Osi

    They will need cap space as they will want to sign Cruz ASAP before his price goes through the roof and if they trade him now they get a pick in 2013 vs 2014. There may be some other players they need to sign as well who have expiring contracts.

    My only concern is that Osi does not fit our system and we have young guys who have shown that they can play.




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    Re: Rumours: Ravens offer a third round pick for Osi

    Quote Originally Posted by Benny8444 View Post
    They will need cap space as they will want to sign Cruz ASAP before his price goes through the roof and if they trade him now they get a pick in 2013 vs 2014. There may be some other players they need to sign as well who have expiring contracts.

    My only concern is that Osi does not fit our system and we have young guys who have shown that they can play.
    Cruz is theirs for 2 more seasons or 3 if they then decide to franchise him. They'll deal with Cruz when they need to. This year Cruz has said he's fine playing for $540k. It's very similar to Ray Rice playing his whole rookie contract without ever bitching about it.
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    Re: Rumours: Ravens offer a third round pick for Osi

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    The Giant media was the one that said they would take a 3rd for him. They are real close to the cap now with rookies. They might want to lock up Cruz and add bodies. But you dont want to go to camp with no cap space in case injuries occur, you need some room.
    Has Jerry Reese ever panicked or screwed up his cap? He's the best GM in the NFL. Why do you think they set up Eli's contract the way they did? Every time they need cap space all they have to do is restructure. It's exactly what the Steelers do with Ben. The only difference is that the Giants pretty much only do it with Eli so they never get into a horrible cap situation while the Steelers do it with many players.

    If Reese had to move Osi he'd be actively shopping him which he isn't but I'm sure he'll listen to all offers. The NY media is enormous. It's by far the largest in the country. They talk and print every possibility. Tim Tebow had over 100 media just at his locker day last week. Just because they say this was offered does not mean there is any truth to it.
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