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    Re: joe flacco #74 on nfl network top 100



    Quote Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds View Post
    Sounds good to me, top 75 of about what 1700 players?
    About 700 starters. So they've got Joe in the top 10% of players.

    #11 QB, which seems about right, give or take.




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    Re: joe flacco #74 on nfl network top 100

    This was a list voted on by the players.

    Seems to me like the players view Flacco a bit differently than the media, huh?

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    Re: joe flacco #74 on nfl network top 100

    I would seriously kick Jamie Dukes in the balls if I ever had the chance to see, this guy really has it in for Flacco and just chats shit.

    Rage over, but seriously he really knows nothing, Warren Sapp gets more heat, but at least he tells it how it is.




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    Re: joe flacco #74 on nfl network top 100

    I'm totally okay with where Flacco is ranked. He's clearly a top 100 player, but hasn't performed well enough or consistently enough to be considered a top 50 player. Keep in mind that probably about 60% of the players who made the 2011 top 50 will eventually be in Canton, so that's a pretty elite class. Flacco is not a HOF player...yet....he certainly has the potential to be though.




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    Re: joe flacco #74 on nfl network top 100

    I'm ok with him in the top 100. He should be, he's earned it with consistency of winning for all 4 years as a starter.

    The perception of his play has been magnified by the critical drops at the worst of times that are also reported as being on him by the media.

    Example, Brady has a critical pass dropped by Welker and it is blown up that Welker blew it and Brady is great and can't throw it AND catch it! Flacco drives the Ravens downfield on the potential, AFC championship game winning drive, only to have Evans unable to hold onto Joe's pass that was perfectly thrown into his gut. Media: Flacco not super bowl ready.

    Flacco has had game winning passes simply dropped in the endzone, year after year...Boldin, Mason, Evans.
    Looking back over the last 4 seasons, the Ravens were on the brink of the super bowl 3 times.
    I think Joe had ALOT to do about that fact.

    If Brady had all those Vinatieri super bowl game winning field goals missed, how would the media have viewed him???
    If Eli doesn't have an relatively unknown receiver make one of the greatest catches in super bowl history, the Giants don't win that super bowl.

    Every quarterback that goes on and wins the super bowl has to have receivers make plays, they need to catch the freaking ball. How about Ben's super bowl winning throw?...Holmes making an unbelieveable catch with his two feet ontop of each other inbounds as his body is completely stretched out of bounds. What happens if Harrison doesn't make that spectacular 100 yard interception return for a TD to end the first half? Do the Steelers even have a chance to win that game??

    The catches are made and the quarterback is great.
    They are dropped and they are game managers and they are mediocre.
    It's all perception.
    Is Flacco the best? Of course not, but the crap that is thrown on him is ridiculous.
    Even that comment he made has been twisted by the media to ridicule him.
    He was saying all quarterbacks in the NFL should think of themselves as the best in order to compete in this league.




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    Re: joe flacco #74 on nfl network top 100

    Quote Originally Posted by ravensnhokies View Post
    I love the reaction show with the esteemed QB expert Jaime Dukes and Kurt Warner arguing over Flacco being lower than Romo. Of course, Jaime 'I played in the NFL... I swear I did' Dukes said Romo's stats are so much better than Flacco so he is deserve to be lowered on the list than Flacco. Kurt argued (and I feel correctly) that pure stats are not as important to fellow players but how player X performs in crunch time. Flacco drove the Ravens to a TD in Pitt, and outperformed Brady in ACCC. Dukes countered that any NFL QB could have diced up the NE secondary, so that's not a good point. Gimme a freaking break!!! Pretty simple question, could Romo drive his Cowboys with their better corp of WRs and Witten 92yds against the Steelers D in Pittsburgh with 2:30 1TO left? Think we all know that answer.
    I just caught this segment. I am to the point where I can't believe these guys are that dumb. Next he'll be arguing that Matt Ryan DESERVES to be above Tony Romo, despite the facts that Ryan's stats are eerily similar to Flacco's, with better offensive talent, and he like Romo chokes in the post season.

    And Heath Evans lets not even go there. I can't stand that guy either.




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    Re: joe flacco #74 on nfl network top 100

    Heath Evans lol, they have some bad analysts on the network.




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    I don't get the Romo comparisons; the guy broke the all time NFL passing rating where he is now second only to Rodgers. It's not even close between him and Flacco IMO and I am a big Flacco fan. It was Dallas' defense that let them down time and again, for the most part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    I don't get the Romo comparisons; the guy broke the all time NFL passing rating where he is now second only to Rodgers. It's not even close between him and Flacco IMO and I am a big Flacco fan. It was Dallas' defense that let them down time and again, for the most part.
    And their offensive line. I agree.
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    Re: joe flacco #74 on nfl network top 100

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    I don't get the Romo comparisons; the guy broke the all time NFL passing rating where he is now second only to Rodgers. It's not even close between him and Flacco IMO and I am a big Flacco fan. It was Dallas' defense that let them down time and again, for the most part.
    I think the biggest reason is because Romo threw some really dogged passes last year and literally lost a couple of games for them.


    I'm not one of those Ravens fans who think Flacco is the ever greatest best thing ever, but I do strongly feel that Tony Romo is pretty overrated. He's had some of the best receivers to throw the ball to over the past couple of years and that can really help any QB look good. Could you imagine if Flacco had Jason Witten, Miles Austin, & Dez Bryant as his top 3 receivers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I think the biggest reason is because Romo threw some really dogged passes last year and literally lost a couple of games for them.


    I'm not one of those Ravens fans who think Flacco is the ever greatest best thing ever, but I do strongly feel that Tony Romo is pretty overrated. He's had some of the best receivers to throw the ball to over the past couple of years and that can really help any QB look good. Could you imagine if Flacco had Jason Witten, Miles Austin, & Dez Bryant as his top 3 receivers?
    Miles Austin the undrafted FA? And Bryant who showed up in 2010 after Romo already had 4 straight years of QB Ratings of well over 90? And Laurent Robinson's 858 yards (and 11 TDs) when he had averaged exactly 250 yards (and 1 TD) per season for the previous 4 seasons, how to explain that? Austin only had 579 yards last season due to injury.

    It is easier to say Romo (and their scheme) makes them than the other way around. I am not saying it can be proven, just that it is easier. With Peyton Manning, I think it can be proven (e.g. Collie, Stokley).

    That said, their offensive scheme has been a lot better and more focused on the pass than ours; but even this could be explained by the fact they have a consistent QB.
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    Re: joe flacco #74 on nfl network top 100

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    Miles Austin the undrafted FA? And Bryant who showed up in 2010 after Romo already had 4 straight years of QB Ratings of well over 90? And Laurent Robinson's 858 yards (and 11 TDs) when he had averaged exactly 250 yards (and 1 TD) per season for the previous 4 seasons, how to explain that? Austin only had 579 yards last season due to injury.

    It is easier to say Romo (and their scheme) makes them than the other way around. I am not saying it can be proven, just that it is easier. With Peyton Manning, I think it can be proven (e.g. Collie, Stokley).

    That said, their offensive scheme has been a lot better and more focused on the pass than ours; but even this could be explained by the fact they have a consistent QB.
    I didn't say he wasn't a good QB...I'm just saying I think he's overrated. He's a choke artist and granted, like I think Houston Raven pointed out, the Cowboys defense and OL didn't exactly do him any favors, but when the pressure is on it seems like he crumbles.

    Regarding his receivers, who gives shit if Miles Austin WAS an undrafted free agent? He's one of the better receivers in the league and he's better than any receiver the Ravens currently have and have had while Flacco has been here. Dez may have been a rookie, but show me a better receiver on the Ravens roster? There are none. Same with Witten. Jason Witten is arguably the best all-around TE in the NFL. Explaining Laurent Robinson is easy - he was healthy all of last year and wasn't the #1 guy defenses accounted for. I'm not 100% positive, but I don't think Robinson has played a healthy year ever as a pro prior to last year with the Cowboys.

    Marques Colston was a 7th rounder, Victor Cruz was undrafted, Wes Welker was undrafted. That doesn't mean anything at all and I don't know many who'd argue that those guys are not better than any receiver the Ravens currently have.

    My point was that if you give Joe weapons like the Cowboys have given Romo or the Giants have given Eli and continue to develop and foster those weapons then it could lead to some great things.

    I'm not saying that Tony Romo isn't a good QB. He's better than half of the league's starters, no doubt, but at the end of the day it's about W's and L's and how a guy performs when the pressure is on. Last year, Flacco responded when the pressure was on. Romo didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I didn't say he wasn't a good QB...I'm just saying I think he's overrated. He's a choke artist and granted, like I think Houston Raven pointed out, the Cowboys defense and OL didn't exactly do him any favors, but when the pressure is on it seems like he crumbles.

    Regarding his receivers, who gives shit if Miles Austin WAS an undrafted free agent? He's one of the better receivers in the league and he's better than any receiver the Ravens currently have and have had while Flacco has been here. Dez may have been a rookie, but show me a better receiver on the Ravens roster? There are none. Same with Witten. Jason Witten is arguably the best all-around TE in the NFL. Explaining Laurent Robinson is easy - he was healthy all of last year and wasn't the #1 guy defenses accounted for. I'm not 100% positive, but I don't think Robinson has played a healthy year ever as a pro prior to last year with the Cowboys.

    Marques Colston was a 7th rounder, Victor Cruz was undrafted, Wes Welker was undrafted. That doesn't mean anything at all and I don't know many who'd argue that those guys are not better than any receiver the Ravens currently have.

    My point was that if you give Joe weapons like the Cowboys have given Romo or the Giants have given Eli and continue to develop and foster those weapons then it could lead to some great things.

    I'm not saying that Tony Romo isn't a good QB. He's better than half of the league's starters, no doubt, but at the end of the day it's about W's and L's and how a guy performs when the pressure is on. Last year, Flacco responded when the pressure was on. Romo didn't.
    Spot on post. Romo has never been without elite talent around him at the skill positions--literally never. His first few years he had Terrell Owens and Jason Witten, two players who will probably both be in Canton one day. Even when TO left they continued on with Miles Austin and then Dez Bryant.

    They've also gotten good per-play production out of their RBs during that time. Did you know the Cowboys have been a better per-play rushing team than the Ravens EVERY YEAR since 2008?

    Also, this stuff about the Cowboys having a bad OL is false. Maybe recently, but not for Romo's career. They had 2 Pro Bowl OL in 06 (Adams and Gurode, Kosier was also very good at G,) 3 in 07 (Adams, Gurode, Davis) 3 in 08 (same as 07,) 2 in 09 (Gurode, Davis,) and just 1 in 10 (Gurode.) Their OL certainly tailed off starting in 2010, but it was one of the league's best units in 06-09, serviceable in 10 (Romo was hurt most of the year then anyway,) and bad in 11.

    The bottom line is that Romo has been surrounded by perhaps the league's best and most complete offensive talent over the past few years. He has produced staggering, video game type numbers in that time and deserves some credit for that. But the bottom line is that he has had no lasting success because he collapses under pressure and chokes when the game is on the line.




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    Wicked and Bmore are dead on.

    We have to compare QB to QB and when looking at stats you cant take into account that the WRs on this team have NEVER been comparable to the QBs that hes being compared to, 4000 yards and a higher completion percentage are factors of the offense and the players that surround you. its a position completely dependent upon other players abilities. Boldin was a 2nd option on a good offensive team and had 1k seasons, here hes been our #1 and hasnt surpassed 900 yards yet. Its also not taking into account the offensive schemes in addition to personnel. Its hard to really compare but i dont think there is much of debate as to the fact that Romo has been surrounded with more talent than Flacco even if they were UDFA originally. If youre just looking at numbers its nearly impossible to get an accurate comparison, but if youre looking for something definitive, youre not going to find it.
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    Re: joe flacco #74 on nfl network top 100

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Spot on post. Romo has never been without elite talent around him at the skill positions--literally never. His first few years he had Terrell Owens and Jason Witten, two players who will probably both be in Canton one day. Even when TO left they continued on with Miles Austin and then Dez Bryant.

    They've also gotten good per-play production out of their RBs during that time. Did you know the Cowboys have been a better per-play rushing team than the Ravens EVERY YEAR since 2008?

    Also, this stuff about the Cowboys having a bad OL is false. Maybe recently, but not for Romo's career. They had 2 Pro Bowl OL in 06 (Adams and Gurode, Kosier was also very good at G,) 3 in 07 (Adams, Gurode, Davis) 3 in 08 (same as 07,) 2 in 09 (Gurode, Davis,) and just 1 in 10 (Gurode.) Their OL certainly tailed off starting in 2010, but it was one of the league's best units in 06-09, serviceable in 10 (Romo was hurt most of the year then anyway,) and bad in 11.

    The bottom line is that Romo has been surrounded by perhaps the league's best and most complete offensive talent over the past few years. He has produced staggering, video game type numbers in that time and deserves some credit for that. But the bottom line is that he has had no lasting success because he collapses under pressure and chokes when the game is on the line.
    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985
    We have to compare QB to QB and when looking at stats you cant take into account that the WRs on this team have NEVER been comparable to the QBs that hes being compared to, 4000 yards and a higher completion percentage are factors of the offense and the players that surround you. its a position completely dependent upon other players abilities. Boldin was a 2nd option on a good offensive team and had 1k seasons, here hes been our #1 and hasnt surpassed 900 yards yet. Its also not taking into account the offensive schemes in addition to personnel. Its hard to really compare but i dont think there is much of debate as to the fact that Romo has been surrounded with more talent than Flacco even if they were UDFA originally. If youre just looking at numbers its nearly impossible to get an accurate comparison, but if youre looking for something definitive, youre not going to find it.
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