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  1. #145

    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by ballhawk View Post
    To anybody who doesnt like this move:

    Arent you guys sick of seeing the ravens start drives from inside the 20 yard line? The offens has enough problems as it is, nevermind always starting out with bad field position. The ravens wouldnt have won SBXXXV without a dynamic return game. Ive seen enough of the piss poor ST's play over the last few years...im down with any moves that would potentially remedy that. And that includes paying a return specialist about the same amount of money that they are paying for their fullback.
    I love this move for both punts and kicks. It should mean the difference in a few games. Plus, has good speed as outside threat. He is really a 2 in 1 player, plus just don't have to tie up a roster spot for a punt returner and kick returner. To rely on rookie from Cal Poly who plays CB- a spot we are loaded was very iffy to say the least. They really made an emphasis on upgrading ST's with adding CB ST ace
    Graham and solid ST Safety Considine. Front office did a great job. It's going to be really hard with these moves for LeQuan and Asa to make the team.





  2. #146

    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Our special teams problems were more evident in coverage than returns, but our return game certainly had room for improvement (especially punts).





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    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    Our special teams problems were more evident in coverage than returns, but our return game certainly had room for improvement (especially punts).
    I would say, aside from sam koch, there is room for improvement in all phases of our ST's. Thats why i like the moves, bringing in 3 solid ST 's players so far. They still need to find a placekicker though. Cundiff's strength with KO's has been completely negated by the new rules and i am pretty sure that he has only hit two fg's over 50 yards since he's been with the ravens. I am stiil hoping that his meltdown in foxborro was the last kick of his ravens career.





  4. #148

    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I sure am sick of that. But see, the thing is, when you need a returner, you draft a guy and you play him at KR/PR while you develop him at his other position, whatever it might be. You don't go out and drop substantial money on a guy simply to return kicks and/or punts.

    When you look at some of the top returners last year, they have something in
    common: they were almost all young guys on their first contract with the team that drafted them. Randall Cobb, Dez Bryant, Marc Mariani, Brandon Banks, Antonio Brown, Javier Arenas, Patrick Peterson (you know, the guy who was the best PR in the league last year?)

    Those guys are all over the draft board too--some early rounders, some late rounders. Our own David Reed did a pretty darn good job in his rookie year as a 5th rounder.

    The reality is, I thought the Ravens solved their returner problem in the draft with Asa Jackson and a couple of the UDFAs they picked up, particularly Bobby Rainey. Jacoby Jones seems totally superfluous to me--sure he's a bit more "proven" at
    returner but is that really worth 7 million dollars? I submit he is not.

    I'm sure Jones will be a fine returner for us this year and possibly even turn in a few catches at #3 WR. Nobody's disputing that he's a serviceable player. He just
    wasn't worth the money, which is the part you guys are not understanding. It's not simply about Jacoby Jones, it's about what he adds to this roster in comparison to other players we have on the roster we really ought to be making use of.
    I think the Ravens maybe targeted a return man in the draft but he may have been selected before they picked by another team. Drafting ASA at a position of strength
    With newly signed Graham, it would be really hard for him to stick. Jones really allows them to use 1 roster spot to fil 2 or 3 vacancies if returns both kicks and punts. Plus, Smith,Boldin and Doss had injuries. Rather have experience back their than rookie from Cal Poly. Cal Poly guy returning punts? Cal Poly isn't big boy football.





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    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    I think the Ravens maybe targeted a return man in the draft but he may have been selected before they picked by another team. Drafting ASA at a position of strength
    With newly signed Graham, it would be really hard for him to stick. Jones really allows them to use 1 roster spot to fil 2 or 3 vacancies if returns both kicks and punts. Plus, Smith,Boldin and Doss had injuries. Rather have experience back their than rookie from Cal Poly. Cal Poly guy returning punts? Cal Poly isn't big boy football.
    Don't write off Jackson just yet, you're not inside his head, you don't know how bad he wants to prove everyone wrong. I like the Jones move but nothing is guaranteed in this world, injuries do happen.





  6. #150

    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    I also think that Jones bring released caught the Ravens by surprise, so they jumped at the chance.





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    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    Cal Poly guy returning punts? Cal Poly isn't big boy football.
    Yeah, Cal Poly is a D-II school. Nobody good ever comes from D-II. I would much rather have Jacoby Jones return punts because he went to Lane College. Ooops, that's D-II as well.





  8. #152

    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    Yeah, Cal Poly is a D-II school. Nobody good ever comes from D-II. I would much rather have Jacoby Jones return punts because he went to Lane College. Ooops, that's D-II as well.
    Not to mention:

    Jahari Evans - Bloomsburg
    Brent Grimes - Shippensburg
    John Kuhn - Shippensburg
    Todd Herremans - Saginaw Valley
    Vincent Jackson - Northern Colorado
    Al Harris - Texas A&M-Kingsville

    Just off the top of my head...





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    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    Yeah, Cal Poly is a D-II school. Nobody good ever comes from D-II. I would much rather have Jacoby Jones return punts because he went to Lane College. Ooops, that's D-II as well.
    Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.





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    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscull View Post
    Not to mention:

    Jahari Evans - Bloomsburg
    Brent Grimes - Shippensburg
    John Kuhn - Shippensburg
    Todd Herremans - Saginaw Valley
    Vincent Jackson - Northern Colorado
    Al Harris - Texas A&M-Kingsville

    Just off the top of my head...
    TO - Tennessee-Chattanooga
    Victor Cruz - Massachusetts
    Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.





  11. #155

    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    TO - Tennessee-Chattanooga
    Victor Cruz - Massachusetts
    Couple of guys who went to D3 schools - Andy Studebaker (KC Chiefs) went to Wheaton College, and Pierre Garcon (Deadskins) from Mount Union. Then you have London Fletcher- John Carroll and guys like WR Miles Austin (Monmouth) Cowboys QB Jon Kitna (Central Washington


    D2 Notables

    Danny Woodhead, HB, New England Patriots - Chadron State
    Jordan Babineaux, S, Seattle Seahawks - S Arkansas St
    Danieal Manning, FS, Chicago Bears - Abilene Christian University
    Johnny Knox, WR, Chicago Bears- Abilene Christian University
    Todd Herremans, G, Philadelphia Eagles - Saginaw Valley State
    Jahri Evans, G, New Orleans Saints - Bloomsberg University

    Going to a D2 or D3 school does not mean your NFL dream is dead...just lowers the already low odds. Talent, heart and physical ability always shine through no matter were it is.
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  12. #156

    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    When you look at some of the top returners last year, they have something in common: they were almost all young guys on their first contract with the team that drafted them. Randall Cobb, Dez Bryant, Marc Mariani, Brandon Banks, Antonio Brown, Javier Arenas, Patrick Peterson (you know, the guy who was the best PR in the league last year?)

    Those guys are all over the draft board too--some early rounders, some late rounders. Our own David Reed did a pretty darn good job in his rookie year as a 5th rounder.
    1. You can't list just the successes, there have been plenty, plenty of failures as well. In fact, there have been more failures than successes. Think about all of the 3rd through UDFAs over the years who had KR abilities who didn't make it at all. Heck, let's not forget Yamon Figurs and Lamont Brightful.

    2. Is that the same David Reed that most can't wait to see cut?

    The reality is, I thought the Ravens solved their returner problem in the draft with Asa Jackson and a couple of the UDFAs they picked up, particularly Bobby Rainey. Jacoby Jones seems totally superfluous to me--sure he's a bit more "proven" at returner but is that really worth 7 million dollars? I submit he is not.
    Again, let's wait and see what the actual structure of the deal is and not just keep repeating the max deal numbers. Perhaps, I'll be wrong, but I'm willing to bet that the base deal is far less than $7M. So, if he ends up actually earning $7M, that's a good thing - that means he will have played well and earned his money.

    I'm sure Jones will be a fine returner for us this year and possibly even turn in a few catches at #3 WR. Nobody's disputing that he's a serviceable player. He just wasn't worth the money, which is the part you guys are not understanding. It's not simply about Jacoby Jones, it's about what he adds to this roster in comparison to other players we have on the roster we really ought to be making use of.
    I'm not sure you can say accuse anyone of not understanding something when we don't yet have a clue of what he will actually be making - when and how.

    Not to mention that we have no idea what the others - Doss, LaQuan, Livas, etc. - have shown in practice to show their worthiness for the job. Given that they decided it was better to go after Jones should be telling IMO.
    Last edited by B-more Ravor; 05-09-2012 at 10:17 PM.
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