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    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones



    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    Cal Poly guy returning punts? Cal Poly isn't big boy football.
    Yeah, Cal Poly is a D-II school. Nobody good ever comes from D-II. I would much rather have Jacoby Jones return punts because he went to Lane College. Ooops, that's D-II as well.




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    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    Yeah, Cal Poly is a D-II school. Nobody good ever comes from D-II. I would much rather have Jacoby Jones return punts because he went to Lane College. Ooops, that's D-II as well.
    Not to mention:

    Jahari Evans - Bloomsburg
    Brent Grimes - Shippensburg
    John Kuhn - Shippensburg
    Todd Herremans - Saginaw Valley
    Vincent Jackson - Northern Colorado
    Al Harris - Texas A&M-Kingsville

    Just off the top of my head...




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    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    Yeah, Cal Poly is a D-II school. Nobody good ever comes from D-II. I would much rather have Jacoby Jones return punts because he went to Lane College. Ooops, that's D-II as well.
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    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscull View Post
    Not to mention:

    Jahari Evans - Bloomsburg
    Brent Grimes - Shippensburg
    John Kuhn - Shippensburg
    Todd Herremans - Saginaw Valley
    Vincent Jackson - Northern Colorado
    Al Harris - Texas A&M-Kingsville

    Just off the top of my head...
    TO - Tennessee-Chattanooga
    Victor Cruz - Massachusetts
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    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    TO - Tennessee-Chattanooga
    Victor Cruz - Massachusetts
    Couple of guys who went to D3 schools - Andy Studebaker (KC Chiefs) went to Wheaton College, and Pierre Garcon (Deadskins) from Mount Union. Then you have London Fletcher- John Carroll and guys like WR Miles Austin (Monmouth) Cowboys QB Jon Kitna (Central Washington


    D2 Notables

    Danny Woodhead, HB, New England Patriots - Chadron State
    Jordan Babineaux, S, Seattle Seahawks - S Arkansas St
    Danieal Manning, FS, Chicago Bears - Abilene Christian University
    Johnny Knox, WR, Chicago Bears- Abilene Christian University
    Todd Herremans, G, Philadelphia Eagles - Saginaw Valley State
    Jahri Evans, G, New Orleans Saints - Bloomsberg University

    Going to a D2 or D3 school does not mean your NFL dream is dead...just lowers the already low odds. Talent, heart and physical ability always shine through no matter were it is.
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    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    When you look at some of the top returners last year, they have something in common: they were almost all young guys on their first contract with the team that drafted them. Randall Cobb, Dez Bryant, Marc Mariani, Brandon Banks, Antonio Brown, Javier Arenas, Patrick Peterson (you know, the guy who was the best PR in the league last year?)

    Those guys are all over the draft board too--some early rounders, some late rounders. Our own David Reed did a pretty darn good job in his rookie year as a 5th rounder.
    1. You can't list just the successes, there have been plenty, plenty of failures as well. In fact, there have been more failures than successes. Think about all of the 3rd through UDFAs over the years who had KR abilities who didn't make it at all. Heck, let's not forget Yamon Figurs and Lamont Brightful.

    2. Is that the same David Reed that most can't wait to see cut?

    The reality is, I thought the Ravens solved their returner problem in the draft with Asa Jackson and a couple of the UDFAs they picked up, particularly Bobby Rainey. Jacoby Jones seems totally superfluous to me--sure he's a bit more "proven" at returner but is that really worth 7 million dollars? I submit he is not.
    Again, let's wait and see what the actual structure of the deal is and not just keep repeating the max deal numbers. Perhaps, I'll be wrong, but I'm willing to bet that the base deal is far less than $7M. So, if he ends up actually earning $7M, that's a good thing - that means he will have played well and earned his money.

    I'm sure Jones will be a fine returner for us this year and possibly even turn in a few catches at #3 WR. Nobody's disputing that he's a serviceable player. He just wasn't worth the money, which is the part you guys are not understanding. It's not simply about Jacoby Jones, it's about what he adds to this roster in comparison to other players we have on the roster we really ought to be making use of.
    I'm not sure you can say accuse anyone of not understanding something when we don't yet have a clue of what he will actually be making - when and how.

    Not to mention that we have no idea what the others - Doss, LaQuan, Livas, etc. - have shown in practice to show their worthiness for the job. Given that they decided it was better to go after Jones should be telling IMO.
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    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    I don't have an opinion on this signing, I think as fans we do have a right to express opinions on a signing but just like with Torrey last year after pre-season, i want to wait until the regular season before I give an opinion on Jacoby Jones. Hopefully he's worth the 7 mill over 2 years.




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    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    Yeah, Cal Poly is a D-II school. Nobody good ever comes from D-II. I would much rather have Jacoby Jones return punts because he went to Lane College. Ooops, that's D-II as well.
    I don't mind that he is from Cal Poly to ask him to return punts in particular as a ROOKIE is the issue. Maybe a year
    or so later I can see it. From playing in front of a few fans vs Division II to playing Sunday night football fielding punts in a year on national TV in front of 70,000 Steeler fans is quite a leap and huge organizational risk.
    Let him show he belongs first, then in a year after he is acclimated to the NFL game speed and size then give him a shot. I like small school guys, but many failures too, they also usually need more TIME.
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    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I'm sure Jones will be a fine returner for us this year and possibly even turn in a few catches at #3 WR. Nobody's disputing that he's a serviceable player. He just wasn't worth the money, which is the part you guys are not understanding. It's not simply about Jacoby Jones, it's about what he adds to this roster in comparison to other players we have on the roster we really ought to be making use of.
    Lee Evans cost $1.5 million for 1 year in 2012 as a WR on the wrong side of 30 with 4 catches last year who doesn't return kicks or punts.

    So what's the price YOU would have paid for Jones, assuming of course that your you were in tune with the Ravens talent evaluators and thought Jones to be a piece worth adding to the roster (which clearly you aren't but let's assume)

    Bear in mind of course that Jones had a 50 catch season 2 years ago (ya know the last year his QB played 16 games) and has caught 11 tds in the last 3 years. 11 TDs more than any receiver on the Ravens roster not named Smith or Boldin I might add. And he's only 27.

    What's your fair price?




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    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    I don't mind that he is from Cal Poly to ask him to return punts in particular as a ROOKIE is the issue. Maybe a year
    or so later I can see it. From playing in front of a few fans vs Division II to playing Sunday night football fielding punts in a year on national TV in front of 70,000 fans is a quite a leap.
    In year 2 I don't have an issue.
    Kinda like when they had LQ return a couple kicks early last year (jets i think). He looked visibly terrified and it was very easy to see that he wasnt ready. It would be awfully risky (borderline disastrous) to put all your eggs in the basket of a later round draft pick in his rookie season. And i agree they were probably targetting a couple returners in the draft, but Asa wasnt one of them, otherwise they wouldnt have signed jones.




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    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    Yeah, Cal Poly is a D-II school. Nobody good ever comes from D-II. I would much rather have Jacoby Jones return punts because he went to Lane College. Ooops, that's D-II as well.
    I dont' really see how that is relevant though. Jacoby Jones and those other guys have proven they could make the jump from D-II to the NFL. Clearly its possible and does happen. But I think the original poster was just commenting that as a general rule, you assume the 5th rounder out of Cal Poly may not be gangbusters out of the gate. It's apples to oranges at this point, Jones is a 5 year vet; Jackson is a rookie 5th rounder...We'll see if Jackson can do what Jones has done.




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    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Their is an old NFL coaching saying "for every rookie you start it will cost you one game" Chuck Knoll among others said this.




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    Old being the key word, completely different era

    In Noll's time a QB and others could well sit for a number of years before being put forward to start
    Now if you a early round pick you are expected to contribute immediately




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    Re: Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by seraph View Post
    It was pretty obvious that the team was lying about how great the developmental WRs are.
    Eh maybe not. I think they recognize that both Doss and Williams had problems getting separation in a timely manner last year and it was a problem for the offense imo. Williams is more of a special teams guy who can help out periodically at WR. Doss seems more of a slot type guy, he lacks the explosive speed or burst to play outside. Adding Streeter and Jones gives them guys who have that type of speed and burst. It also allows Boldin to slide inside were he will be more effective. I think a lot of guys will get some opportunities and its gonna be fun to see who can produce
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    its going to be great when this whole thread is for nothing and Cam trots out the same tired offense he always has and doesnt even use a 3rd WR. I think somebody else said it, Pitta will be the 3rd "wr". Until Cam gets more imaginative the 3rd WR on this team is mostly a depth position.
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