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    Re: NFL stadium-mania - when, not "if", it comes to Baltimore



    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus Corax View Post
    In the not too distant future, I perceive a trend toward REDUCED seating for live games. Ticket prices will go beyond even what middle-to-upper-middle incomes can afford. Only the rich will be able to afford to attend (and legitimately brag that they were there to witness) live sporting events...
    I'm cool with $1,000 tickets, $100 hot dogs, $75 beer, and $50 diet Cokes. I can take the wife and (5) kiddies to a game or two, and still have enough left over to support my sister-in-law. So what if I'm broke in my retirement years. Isn't a couple of live pro football games a year worth it? ... Bc




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    Re: NFL stadium-mania - when, not "if", it comes to Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    But aren't our Thursday and Monday night games also picked up by a local affiliate? I only recently got cable back, and I still don't have the NFL network, but I remember watching the Falcons game in 2010...
    Unless something changes this year, a local affiliate (WJZ ?) usually carries games only shown on ESPN and NFLN.
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    Re: NFL stadium-mania - when, not "if", it comes to Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus Corax View Post
    In the not too distant future, I perceive a trend toward REDUCED seating for live games. Ticket prices will go beyond even what middle-to-upper-middle incomes can afford. Only the rich will be able to afford to attend (and legitimately brag that they were there to witness) live sporting events. It will be very similar to live boxing matches in Las Vegas or Madison Square Garden where ringside seating will cost far more than Pay Per View (PPV). Season-ticket holders won't be attending games, they will instead be PPV subscribers. That means, of course, that only they and the rich (who will actually attend the games) will be the only ones watching.

    If you think that is an absurd notion, let me remind you of pro sports events that used to be commonly televised free on one of the original three major airwaves networks (ABC, NBC, CBS). NHL games apparently are found only on the NBC Sports Channel (cable/satellite). NFL games are now on ESPN (Mondays) and the NFL network (Thursdays). NBA games are on ESPN/TNT. College football games on ESPN2/3. Almost all Oriole games are televised exclusively on MASN/MASN2. The poor miss a lot of action.

    It is just a matter of time before most 'fans' (short for fanatics) will face a hard choice between lifestyle basics and watching their favorite team perform. How are they going afford to get their weekly/daily 'fix'?

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    I agree with this. There is too much money in PPV not to go that route. They will charge the average fan $10 a week to watch his or her favorite team and make billions. 9 Billion in revenues in 2012 will look like a drop in the bucket vs 30+ billion they could make PPV. Not sure I agree with ticket prices at the stadium but could happen.




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    Re: NFL stadium-mania - when, not "if", it comes to Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by flraven View Post
    Unless something changes this year, a local affiliate (WJZ ?) usually carries games only shown on ESPN and NFLN.
    Local stations only pick up pre-season games.




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    Re: NFL stadium-mania - when, not "if", it comes to Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by cmorris28 View Post
    Local stations only pick up pre-season games.
    According to the Ravens web site, Week 1 against Cincinnati is on both ESPN and WJZ. So maybe its just when the games are on the NFL Network, people that don't get that channel can't see them.

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    Re: NFL stadium-mania - when, not "if", it comes to Baltimore

    We just got a bunch of upgrades, as someone else mentioned. Turf, HD Scoreboards, etc.....

    I still think it's funny they have old tube TV's out in the concourse area, and NONE anywhere near the smoking sections in the lower area's. I've sent emails and letters requesting such but guess we'll see for this year, as nothing changed last year.

    As it is I could see another 10 years or so before they even start talking new stadium. orry but anyoe who has traveled to other stadiums(not just seen them on TV) should know we still have a pretty damn good stadium. Fedex is newer and is a dump comparatively. Tenn same thing. Indy was nice, same with Reliant. The monstrosity in Dallas was pretty nice but yo can tell there are ALOT of seats where you can't see squat. And the list goes on.




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    Re: NFL stadium-mania - when, not "if", it comes to Baltimore

    I don't see the Ravens doing any real chirping for another 10 years at the least. Even then it would be for reasonable renovations. Baltimore isn't going to build a new baseball or football stadium for at least another 20 years. The Rams want upgrades that total about $700 million. To me, that situation isn't as much about the stadium as it is them trying to find an excuse to leave St. Louis and move back to LA.




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    I could actually see them adding those moving walk things you see at airports on the ramps leading to the upper decks. Would actually be a neat upgrade.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Real Fan Dan View Post
    I also didn't think much of the Superdome, but some folks think having a roof somehow makes the stadium better. I disagree. Football was meant to be played out of doors, in the cold.
    See below re Superdome.

    I disagree with your interpretation re about "how football was meant to be played". Historically, football had been equated with nippy Fall "sweater weather", not the brutal cold of late December & January.

    Before the NFL became the major TV sport and expanded its teams from 12 to 32 and its season from 12 to 14 to 16 headed to 18, and playoffs from a single game to the multi-tiered event of today, its season ended shortly after the college season ended with the Army-Navy game around Thanksgiving, after which the colleges went South for bowl games. The bitter cold, blizzard conditions, along with the shirtless morons hamming it up for the TV cameras, are late 20th Century byproducts of NFL playing games in open air stadiums in the Winter for TV audiences.


    Quote Originally Posted by flraven View Post
    Agree with you about the Superdome, its like watching football in a movie theater.
    My opinion is the opposite .... I lived several years in New Orleans, attending most Saints games, and I still occasionally attend games there while on travel. In my opinion, the Superdome is still one of the best stadiums in the US. Outstanding sightlines in the vertically oriented downtown stadium. AC comfort in the midst of the oppressive Louisiana heat & humidity. Fantastic, very comfortable place to watch a game, with noise levels achievable only in a domed stadium. The post-game festivities outside the stadium and down nearby Bourbon Street can't be matched at any other NFL city. I rank the Superdome as one of the top three NFL stadiums (from a fans perspective, not caring about suites), and New Orleans is up there with Nashville as my favorite road trip destination.

    NFL powers are obviously in some agreement: New Orleans is tied with Miami for the most Super Bowls (10) after this season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by landspeed View Post
    I love camden yards.
    So do the Yankees




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    Agree about the outside of the Superdome but the inside is nothing to get excited for, just another stadium. I went there when the Ravens played back in 06 I believe and as far as just the stadium by itself I can't see how it can be a top three. I admit I did have a BLAST and no other city's festivities when going to a game can match it.
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    Re: NFL stadium-mania - when, not "if", it comes to Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus Corax View Post
    It is just a matter of time before most 'fans' (short for fanatics) will face a hard choice between lifestyle basics and watching their favorite team perform. How are they going afford to get their weekly/daily 'fix'?

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    I don't think it's an absurd notion. Sans PPV, it's pretty much that way now. One used to be able to get into an NFL game for a few bucks. You can barely get by the cover charge or buy a McDonald's meal and watch at home for that price. PPV is the next logical step. Besides, with so many people in areas following different teams, the NFL will soon catch on that they should offer team-specific packages and such on a PPV-subscription basis.

    However, I think before ticket prices get too out of hand, you'll see a sort of restructuring of finances. The reason being that if it's too expensive for regular people to go to games, governments will withdraw public support for stadium financing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    The Rams want upgrades that total about $700 million. To me, that situation isn't as much about the stadium as it is them trying to find an excuse to leave St. Louis and move back to LA.
    I agree. I can't think of any logical reason to spend that much to upgrade that stadium when you can get a whole new one at that price. Besides, the NY and Dallas stadiums were around 25% more expensive, however, they were built in NY and Dallas by their owners.

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    Re: NFL stadium-mania - when, not "if", it comes to Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    But aren't our Thursday and Monday night games also picked up by a local affiliate? I only recently got cable back, and I still don't have the NFL network, but I remember watching the Falcons game in 2010...
    Based on my personal experience, it appears that only the two cities/metro areas who have teams in the game, are granted free access by the NFL on a local channel. Now WHICH channel seems a bit confusing to me. I don't know if there is an established rule(s). You would think an ESPN game would be shown on the local ABC affiliate since the two networks are now part of the same conglomerate. But NFL Network games - what is the rule for them?

    This appears (to me at least) to be the only concession in pro sports today to accommodate fans without cable-satellite access.




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