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    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    While I agree that our offense should have been more effective in 2011, it is true that we really were a dropped pass away from a Super bowl appearance. Are you disputing that fact? Anyway, the Ravens defense (as strong as it was) still wasn't up to the 2000/01 version standards. I'm not trying to defend Cam (I think he should be gone), but let's not lay the entire blame on his shoulders... Bc
    Your right, the blame also goes to who let's Cam remain as coach. Not just Cam.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    Your right, the blame also goes to who let's Cam remain as coach. Not just Cam.
    I'm sure they were just being careful. Last year the lockout and this year the DC leaves so they probably didn't want that much of a turnover. Cam is just lucky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    How about the Oline; they have to hold the protection to allow patterns to develop or its more dump offs and quick slants/outs

    Bingo!! The running game dropped off last year as well. The O line has to improve.




  4. #64

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    I subscribe to the theory that they are risk averse, not only as a coaching staff, but as an organization. As far as what happened with Boldin, that was just poor planning. Back to Ozzie and Co., they believe running the ball, playing good defense, avoiding turnovers and letting the defense hold the lead in the fourth quarter will bring success. So far it has, although once the level in talent and coaching acumen increases, they are not as consistent winning games. That's why the upcoming season will be so revealing. They will face every top quarterback there is, with the exception of Stafford and Brees which means they will have to be more consistent on offense. Will they be? Time will tell.
    Not only adverse but poor scouting as well. I'm going to beat a dead horse here but I will never forget after 2008 season and the poor performance of our receivers in the AFC CHAMPIONSHIP, it was clear to most we needed to address that position. We didn't because Ozzie believed that Demetrius Williams was the answer to our receiving needs. So it's a combination of philosophy and poor judgment.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayc00 View Post
    I'm sure they were just being careful. Last year the lockout and this year the DC leaves so they probably didn't want that much of a turnover. Cam is just lucky.
    Its only people on the message boards that are saying that the only reason that Cam is still here is because of a rookie quarterback (2008), a lockout (2010), no suitable replacement/too much turnover with the coaching staff (2011), i forgot what the excuse was in 2009. The reality is that the Raven's braintrust wants him here.




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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    Its only people on the message boards that are saying that the only reason that Cam is still here is because of a rookie quarterback (2008), a lockout (2010), no suitable replacement/too much turnover with the coaching staff (2011), i forgot what the excuse was in 2009. The reality is that the Raven's braintrust wants him here.
    I agree.

    I do not get why Cam is made a scapegoat on a team that the main complaint is they have not won the SB yet. I mean dang. I think every team wants to win the SB and it isthe goal, but it is not like the Ravens have stunk with Cam as OC or been so good that the only thing holding them back was Cam, seems off.

    If the team loses and it was one guys fault, it probably was a lot of other guys before it was the OC. Recently when the Ravens woulda coulda shoulda gone to the SB, it was a turnover or 3, a drop and shanked kick, a penalty, a blown coverage or a 3 man rush.

    To constantly single out Cam seems like more of an Ohio football fan thing to do. The Ravens are close. They have been good enough to have a good chance, they just have not gotten it done, yet.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremiah W View Post
    I agree.

    I do not get why Cam is made a scapegoat on a team that the main complaint is they have not won the SB yet. I mean dang. I think every team wants to win the SB and it isthe goal, but it is not like the Ravens have stunk with Cam as OC or been so good that the only thing holding them back was Cam, seems off.

    If the team loses and it was one guys fault, it probably was a lot of other guys before it was the OC. Recently when the Ravens woulda coulda shoulda gone to the SB, it was a turnover or 3, a drop and shanked kick, a penalty, a blown coverage or a 3 man rush.

    To constantly single out Cam seems like more of an Ohio football fan thing to do. The Ravens are close. They have been good enough to have a good chance, they just have not gotten it done, yet.
    Well said. I think any reasonable Ravens fan feels the same way. Because of a certain amount of ambiguity in blaming a Coordinator as opposed to a HC, QB etc. Cam is the perfect whipping boy. This is not to say I advocate Cam, but this Ravens fan meme about Cam only being around because of harbaugh, or the other various unfounded accept truths is an insult to Biscuit and Oz. If they felt this team would be better off without Cam this year or he last, he would be gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremiah W View Post
    I agree.

    I do not get why Cam is made a scapegoat on a team that the main complaint is they have not won the SB yet. I mean dang. I think every team wants to win the SB and it isthe goal, but it is not like the Ravens have stunk with Cam as OC or been so good that the only thing holding them back was Cam, seems off.

    If the team loses and it was one guys fault, it probably was a lot of other guys before it was the OC. Recently when the Ravens woulda coulda shoulda gone to the SB, it was a turnover or 3, a drop and shanked kick, a penalty, a blown coverage or a 3 man rush.

    To constantly single out Cam seems like more of an Ohio football fan thing to do. The Ravens are close. They have been good enough to have a good chance, they just have not gotten it done, yet.
    That's exactly how it is. Our defense has been good enough to win a super bowl, but our offense has held us back. Cam's "play not to lose" style has hurt our chances at winning a Lombardi trophy. Furthermore, we won't win one as long as he is calling the shots on offense.




  9. #69

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirdowski View Post
    Well said. I think any reasonable Ravens fan feels the same way. Because of a certain amount of ambiguity in blaming a Coordinator as opposed to a HC, QB etc. Cam is the perfect whipping boy. This is not to say I advocate Cam, but this Ravens fan meme about Cam only being around because of harbaugh, or the other various unfounded accept truths is an insult to Biscuit and Oz. If they felt this team would be better off without Cam this year or he last, he would be gone.
    The Ravens front office is totally ok with having a mediocre offense. They, like everyone, have to know that this team would be better off without Cam.




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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    That's exactly how it is. Our defense has been good enough to win a super bowl, but our offense has held us back. Cam's "play not to lose" style has hurt our chances at winning a Lombardi trophy. Furthermore, we won't win one as long as he is calling the shots on offense.
    Obviously I disagree, but even if it was just the overall production of the O holding the team back, I would still tend to look at the OL, WRs and Flacco's inconsistancy before putting the blame on the OC.

    I have not been 100% satisfied with the O since Cam took over or anything, but I just do not think he has been responsible for the team not getting over the top. The turnovers, the drops and the missed kick were much bigger factors than playcalling IMO.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremiah W View Post
    Obviously I disagree, but even if it was just the overall production of the O holding the team back, I would still tend to look at the OL, WRs and Flacco's inconsistancy before putting the blame on the OC.

    I have not been 100% satisfied with the O since Cam took over or anything, but I just do not think he has been responsible for the team not getting over the top. The turnovers, the drops and the missed kick were much bigger factors than playcalling IMO.
    Its been his whole "play not to lose" personna that's infected the team. Some of those games shouldn't have come down to the plays that cost us.




  12. #72

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    Its been his whole "play not to lose" personna that's infected the team. Some of those games shouldn't have come down to the plays that cost us.
    Exactly!!!! Seems every game no matter the quality of opponent isn't decided til 5 minutes to go in most cases. Seems everygame they score 20-23 points either having to score at the end or having to hold them defensively.




  13. #73

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    Its been his whole "play not to lose" personna that's infected the team. Some of those games shouldn't have come down to the plays that cost us.
    One could argue that the conservative, ball control, turnover limiting approach had a lot to do with the team's success. I am not sure that Flacco would have been Dan Marino had Cam not been holding him back. With a rookie 2nd round WR as the #1, Boldin with a bad knee and a bunch of young, mid round picks at the skill posistions, I do not think a wide open pass attack would have been the best approach.

    I can not really find any fault with Cam last year for the Ravens losing that game to NE. Maybe he should have called other plays in the first few drives, but at the end of the day if Evans catches that pass the Ravens are in the SB and Flacco waay out plays Brady. IMO what the O needs is more weapons, better blocking and time together, not a new OC.

    I do not think Cam is the best OC in the game or anything but I believe the team thinks he is the best option and I do not have nearly enough info to argue the point. Maybe you are right though and Cam has been holding the O back, I just do not see it.







  14. #74

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    Its been his whole "play not to lose" personna that's infected the team. Some of those games shouldn't have come down to the plays that cost us.
    I agree about the 'play not to lose' bit, but I wonder if that's Cam. Or how much of it is anyway. I finally rewatched the AFC title game over the weekend (couldn't do it until now), and one thing really jumped out at me about that game: the decision to take a field goal instead of going for the TD on 4th and goal from the 3.

    It was early in the game, you're down 3-0, and you're in the flipping AFC title game. You have the best defense in football. You're in the opponent's stadium. I don't get why you go for the FG here. To me, the benefits of going for it in that situation far outweigh the risks of not getting it.

    But then, I thought back to the Pit game--they did the same thing on the opening drive, from an even closer-to-the-end zone spot. I may be wrong, but I don't think that's an O/C's call.

    Bottom line--I think the 'risk-averse' nature of the offense is probably dictated a little bit higher up the food chain than Cam...




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    Quote Originally Posted by redmike34 View Post
    I agree about the 'play not to lose' bit, but I wonder if that's Cam. Or how much of it is anyway. I finally rewatched the AFC title game over the weekend (couldn't do it until now), and one thing really jumped out at me about that game: the decision to take a field goal instead of going for the TD on 4th and goal from the 3.
    It was early in the game, you're down 3-0, and you're in the flipping AFC title game. You have the best defense in football. You're in the opponent's stadium. I
    don't get why you go for the FG here. To me, the benefits of going for it in that situation far outweigh the risks of not getting it.

    But then, I thought back to the Pit game--they did the same thing on the opening
    drive, from an even closer-to-the-end zone spot. I may be wrong, but I don't think that's an O/C's call.

    Bottom line--I think the 'risk-averse' nature of the offense is probably dictated a little bit higher up the food chain than Cam...
    I Agee with the NE 4th Down and inches, but Rice was pathetic in those situations all year, he can't get short yardage, hence they drafted bigger faster taller Pierce as Harbaugh said after the draft. Rice isn't a short yardage back.




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