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    Quote Originally Posted by seraph View Post
    Man if Andre Gurode wasn't dead we would have beat the Patriots.
    Something must be up with Gurode. A 5-time pro-bowler can't see any game time when the inside of our line is getting man-handled? Add to it, that he hasn't even been mentioned (as far as I know) to replace Grubbs or Birk.




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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    Something must be up with Gurode. A 5-time pro-bowler can't see any game time when the inside of our line is getting man-handled? Add to it, that he hasn't even been mentioned (as far as I know) to replace Grubbs or Birk.
    He's not a great fit for a zone blocking scheme. Granted, a lot of the Ravens' OL last year wasn't a great fit, but Gurode was especially exposed. I'm not 100%, but I'm pretty sure the Cowboys weren't employing a ZBS before he was cut from their team, so not only were the concepts entirely new, but playing a different position on a new team where it's highly important to be athletic in a ZBS...he was kind of set up for failure, IMO, from the get go.
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    FWIW...Caldwell has never OC'd at any level.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    FWIW...Caldwell has never OC'd at any level.
    That doesn't mean that he can't or won't have an understanding of gameplanning with the offense.

    I'm not saying that he'd be an ideal replacement for Cam if the season should go that way, but Caldwell's understanding of the passing game and the QB far exceeds anyone else on the coaching staff right now. His experience of gameplanning with Peyton and his understanding of how Peyton worked the offense on the field, IMO, is going to really open up some doors for Flacco and the offense.
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    I think they did Caldwell a favor like they did for Zorn a couple years ago; he is not going to be anything more than a QB coach in Baltimore. He'll likely be gone after one year
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    Pretty much agree. Everyplay seems to take so long to develop. Also, until the 2nd half of the Affcg they never tried to roll Joe out of the pocket, once they did they moved the ball. Cam just is so hard headed, and unimaginative. It's really boring football.
    Not really the case. Just rewatched the game yesterday (more brutal when you know what's coming), and their first big drive after 3 punts was a 1st down PA Bootleg to Smith 40 yds downfield. He was Wide Open, and that was 100% a great play call by Cam.

    Also, they worked the **** out of Edelman on that last drive, which was how they got down to red zone. Beyond Boldin against Edelman, I think Pitta and a dumpoff to Rice were the only other guys to make a catch on that drive. Can't remember seeing Edelman on the field besides that last drive either. Biggest problem for the Ravens in that game was obviously Vince Wilfork and the general inability of the O-Line to run Block. Couple key pressures of Flacco as well on 3rd downs. My one other observation was how great Joe moved around and out of the pocket in the game. Kept plays alive, avoided several sacks, and grabbed a couple first downs on the run as well. At this point, his movement is a little underrated for me.

    And for me that goes to the real issue of 2011 (and 2010), which was the inconsistent O-Line. Leaving Cameron and whatever idiosyncracies we have come to hate after 4 years, this O-Line is what held back the offense last year. You can easily put the Jacksonville, San Diego (defense too), New England, and maybe Tennessee games on the O-Line. Too many sacks/pressures; no push in the running game; overall bad offensive performance. Also that debacle against Houston even though they won. Bad O-Line play is like the hidden stench in your car. It's not always obvious, but if it persists, its hard to overcome. Ask Pittsburgh.

    Somebody posted the Ravens highest scoring season was 2009. What's happened to the O-Line since then?

    Gaither--Gone [replacement: McKinnie]
    Grubbs--Gone (injured for what 1/3 of the year in 2011) [replacement: Rookie or 2nd year converted Tackle]
    Birk--3 Years older
    Oher--Slight Progression maybe???

    And their 3 weakest O-Line spots last year were all next to each other last year, same will probably be true this year. Hopefully, this latest O-Line rebuild by Ozzie will be close to as successful as the last one in the 2007 Draft which netted Grubbs, Yanda, and Gaither (what an O-Line draft)




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    Quote Originally Posted by LC_Ravens_87 View Post
    Biggest problem for the Ravens in that game was obviously Vince Wilfork and the general inability of the O-Line to run Block. Couple key pressures of Flacco as well on 3rd downs. ...
    And for me that goes to the real issue of 2011 (and 2010), which was the inconsistent O-Line. Leaving Cameron and whatever idiosyncracies we have come to hate after 4 years, this O-Line is what held back the offense last year. ... Too many sacks/pressures; no push in the running game; overall bad offensive performance. ... Bad O-Line play is like the hidden stench in your car. It's not always obvious, but if it persists, its hard to overcome. ...
    Somebody posted the Ravens highest scoring season was 2009. What's happened to the O-Line since then?
    Gaither--Gone [replacement: McKinnie]
    Grubbs--Gone (injured for what 1/3 of the year in 2011) [replacement: Rookie or 2nd year converted Tackle]
    Birk--3 Years older
    Oher--Slight Progression maybe???
    And their 3 weakest O-Line spots last year were all next to each other last year, same will probably be true this year. Hopefully, this latest O-Line rebuild by Ozzie will be close to as successful as the last one in the 2007 Draft which netted Grubbs, Yanda, and Gaither (what an O-Line draft)
    Fabulous post. Yes.

    I was as aggravated as everyone else during the season. But now when I look back at last year, Cam's performance starts to look pretty good, when you factor in Lee Evans' injury / ineffectiveness, Grubbs' injury, Gurode & McKinnie's weakness, Boldin's cartilage issue, Vonta Leach's nonperformance in the passing game, and Ed Dickson's drops. People wanted the Ravens to use more 3-WR sets, but when Evans was injured who was our 3rd WR? And when he came back he sucked.

    In 2008 and 2009 we had a young, powerful O-line. And we thought Cam was doing a good job. Since then our O-line has deteriorated, and so has our opinion of Cam. It was high time we devoted some high draft picks to the O-line again. I hope it works out.




  8. #98

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    Its been his whole "play not to lose" personna that's infected the team. Some of those games shouldn't have come down to the plays that cost us.
    Cam's playcalling wasted the entire first quarter of the AFCC game. "Let's run on first and second down on our early possessions- they'll never expect that!"
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