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    Re: Amani Toomer calls out Kurt Warner



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    Quote Originally Posted by JMUpurkfool View Post
    Did anybody just hear Merrill Hoge on SC talking about Warner's comments?

    Some of his main points:

    His son plays football and the only concussion he has ever got was from crashing bike. (I guess we're going to ignore that the most dangerous concussions are the very small ones that happen frequently during play and add up over time)

    If you don't let your kids play football, they will play xbox and eat donuts and become obese. (Totally, there are no other sports in the world.)

    He coaches youth football and his kids miss more time from practice from injuries that occur during lunch and recess, not on field injuries. (Sure.)

    If anyone wants a prime example of the dangers of football to the brain they can consider Merrill Hoge 'Exhibit A'.
    And that is what I can't stand, dishonest and biased debate on the issue to the point where you can't even take Merril's comments serious. It seems like some guys who played their careers and came out reletively healthy act as if the concussion issue isn't that serious.

    I'm OK with other people's decisions to play football. I just think that everyone should be well aware of the risks. Merrill's dishonest debate does not help to inform people.

    One more reason not to like the guy.




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    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101 View Post
    All of you who think Warner is wrong because of everything football did for him need to read this:

    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...urrentPage=all

    Actually, all of you who agree with Warner need to read it too.
    Wait, those dogs that Vick fought got paid?? Ohh, did that article say the dogs had a CHOICE to fight/play???

    And at this point not a single person in sports is ignorant of the long-term risks of concussions. If a guy CHOOSES to play in the NFL or in college, he assumes the risk. Warner, as a parent, can decide what's best for his kids; but the article you cite doesn't really concern that so much.

    Now does the NFL as an employer have a moral obligation to provide for these guys after their careers are over, of course. But ultimately, people make their own choices. It's no different than the Federal Gov't dangling the carrot of free college tuition or citizenship for service members in the armed forces...risk your health, and you will be rewarded financially. Still a choice though.




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    I've had my bell rung plenty. Been knocked out cold in two fights. Shit happens. People develop Alzheimer without ever experiencing a knockout.

    Fact is, football made a lot of these people. No one forced them to be NFL players. It is a dangerous job, just like being a fireman or a policeman. Bad things can happen in a lot of careers. Half the fishermen on the Bering Sea will be maimed or damn near broken for the rest of their lives.

    If Warner doesn't want his kid to be any of those things fine, but don't be a hypocrite about it. Hell, my 30 nephew has permanent disc damage from bending over and picking up heavy shit while being a plumber.

    Life is hard, period. Wish I had a couple million to sit in a chair on the NFL network and bitch about how rough it is.




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    Quote Originally Posted by LC_Ravens_87 View Post
    And at this point not a single person in sports is ignorant of the long-term risks of concussions.
    Sure they're not. You're joking, right? Also, the article made it clear that diagnosed concussions are only a small part of the problem. Thousands of impacts that don't cause any concussion symptoms at all are the bigger issue. How many players aren't aware of that? Probably 98% of them.




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    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101 View Post
    You don't have a problem with Toomer saying, "Kurt Warner needs to keep his opinions to himself"???
    i meant their opinions on the topic. i don't know why toomer felt the need to call him out. maybe he needed a ratings boost?




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    While I generally feel that Kurt Warner is and always has been an intolerable Douche, I have no problem with him saying this despite the millions he made from the sport. I don't find it hypocritical, or that he is biting the hand that feeds him at all. Him and that man he is married to have every right to think like parents and considering the new research on head injuries and football it's hard to argue with the evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJRaven View Post
    i meant their opinions on the topic. i don't know why toomer felt the need to call him out. maybe he needed a ratings boost?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Except the odds of making it big versus the odds of getting a really bad head injury aren't remotely comparable. It's ludicrous to bank on making it big in football as a means of compensating for the eventual head trauma just like it's ludicrous to play the lotto to pay for your retirement.
    That's what Warner did though. It does not take a seasoned surgeon to figure out that football is, has been and always will be a violent game. A violent game that Warner was willing to play to hit it big, which he did. He may have worked at a grocery store when he was down for a while (financially), but that doesn't mean that he didn't know the risk. There was already decades of examples to go off of, of players who suffered physically after their football careers. He could have stayed out, but chose to try and get back in. Now, it is thanks to that violent sport that he openly embraced that he can provide for his family.

    Suddenly, it's not good enough for his kid, his kid can't play it and it's not worth the risk he took. I can understand his stance to a degree. However, what is he going to do when he tells his kid to follow his dreams and his kid's dream is to be like his father and play quarterback, or play football in general? He tells his kid that he can't play and his kid rebels, maybe, always chasing his dream anyway. It might not happen like that. The kid might actually be thankful for his father's intervention. Then again, the kid might not even want to play.
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    Captain is right.
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    What I don't get is how no one has bothered to note how Toomer has just called to the mat every player who's involved in the lawsuit against the NFL around this concussion issue. They're all doing the same thing Warner has done in a far more direct fashion. How is it that no one has realized this???

    I'm totally on Warner's side in this issue. He doesn't owe the game anything. The game didn't give him what he got. He earned it by being of the greatest players to play it, and he gave the NFL an incredible show. They paid him to be a part of it. But he doesn't work in the game anymore, and he doesn't owe the game anything, nor does anyone else that work or worked in it. The NFL is their employer.

    If Warner's concerned for the safety of his kids, he has FAR more obligation to protect them than he does to a former employer. To suggest otherwise is a little ridiculous to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psuasskicker View Post
    What I don't get is how no one has bothered to note how Toomer has just called to the mat every player who's involved in the lawsuit against the NFL around this concussion issue. They're all doing the same thing Warner has done in a far more direct fashion. How is it that no one has realized this???

    I'm totally on Warner's side in this issue. He doesn't owe the game anything. The game didn't give him what he got. He earned it by being of the greatest players to play it, and he gave the NFL an incredible show. They paid him to be a part of it. But he doesn't work in the game anymore, and he doesn't owe the game anything, nor does anyone else that work or worked in it. The NFL is their employer.

    If Warner's concerned for the safety of his kids, he has FAR more obligation to protect them than he does to a former employer. To suggest otherwise is a little ridiculous to me.

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    +1................Warner should be applauded foir speaking out, instead of being vilified for it. He don't owe the NFL shit. They made millions off of him and the "greatest show on turf" for a few years.




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    Warner is more than welcome to not let his kids play football. He knows the risk of the game better than most of us do.

    I have a three, nearly four, year old who is going to be very large considering he's the size of a six year old now. He'll be one hell of a lineman if he decides he wants to play, and given how both sides of his family feel about football, he'll probably want to. My only rule is that he won't play until he's in Jr. High.
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    I was really upset that my parents didn't allow me to play football when I was a kid, and I used to swear that if my kids wanted to play, I'd allow them and even encourage it.

    I have two daughters and we're not having any other kids, but I know I've gone 180 degrees on the subject. If I had sons, I would absolutely not allow them to play.

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