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Re: OT Junior Seau
I can see why some call it a selfish act but I can't agree
If you're in dark where you feel as a failure, you've let everyone down and they would be better off without you are you realy doing it for selfish reasons?
It's not always about just checking out and ending your pain, can also be as you believe you will end the pain for others
So I would never ever call it a selfish act
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Re: OT - Tape Released of Junior Seau 911 Call
I found it hard to listen too. I just wanted to hug that poor girl. Sorry, but Seau was a fucking dick for doing that. Yeah, yeah, he wasn't in his right mind and all that bullshit, but what he did traumatized her for a lifetime. One of my idiot friends did the same to himself, I understand his dimensia, but what he did to his fiancee and his family were beyond bad.
Thing with suicides, their problems are over, its the whole set of new ones they spawn on to others.
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05-05-2012, 01:13 PM #16Hall Of Fame Poster
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You have a good point and I agree its a terrible thing to leave others behind. But I also feel like we shouldn't judge so harshly not ever being in his mind set.
I'm no Dr but I am sure your mind has to go completely wack to make the decision. I am sure he didn't say well life sucks, I'm done, fuck everyone else. He had to be at a horribly low point to go through with it.
It's sad what happened to her. But what's to say she didn't set him to the final breaking point to actually pull the trigger?
I'm gonna take heat for this post but people judge so quickly and have no idea the entire situation. Kinda think its harsh to call him a fucking dick.
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05-05-2012, 01:18 PM #17
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05-05-2012, 01:29 PM #18Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: OT - Tape Released of Junior Seau 911 Call
arnie, I got a PM from another poster (who shall go nameless), a couple of days ago, chastising me for my stance on the subject of suicide. I'll post my reply below :
"While some cultures (Japan for instance, although I don't know if it applies today)
see suicide as an honorable act, I do not.
I see it as a person who is willing to leave his/her parents, spouse, children, and friends
to "clean up" their act without thought of the burden they are leaving behind. It is IMO a coward's way out. While I respect your opinion, I do disagree with it wholeheartedly."
... Bc
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05-05-2012, 01:30 PM #19
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Re: OT Junior Seau
I think both viewpoints are all equally valid in the minds of those that possess them. For those left behind it is a selfish act in that they've been left with the pain of losing a loved one, often without knowing why that person was hurting so much. But from the perspective of the person who commits suicide, as was mentioned, in their mind everything they do is worthless and so are they, they're more likely to perceive themselves as a drain and burden on those around them and want to relieve them of that.
The tragedy lies in that if both 'sides' could see the other's point of view before someone took their own life then maybe more suicides would be avoided.
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05-05-2012, 01:49 PM #21Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: OT - Tape Released of Junior Seau 911 Call
arnie, my "coward's way out" comment was more in line with your "selfish" thought.
He/she was trying to say it may not be as awful as we think due to cultural differences. A suicide leaves a void that others cannot fill, so the person who commits it is like the person who leaves garbage in a public place and let's 'whoever' to clean it up. I don't know Seau's family status, but if he had a wife and kids, then my feeling is not one of tragedy, but of "shame on you" ... Bc
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05-05-2012, 01:54 PM #22
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05-05-2012, 02:20 PM #23Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: OT - Tape Released of Junior Seau 911 Call
That poster happened to be me. My initial message to him was: I happen to take a note of the strong language in your post, especially when you are suggesting that suicide is for coward (correct me if I am mistaken). I am not criticizing you or whatsoever. Nonetheless, suicide is not necessary considered an act of cowardice in some cultures. In fact, suicide is considered honorable in some cultures.
There was a tread on the subject somewhere (I am unable to find it). I know I will receive a lot of heat for holding that view. In that thread, I acknowledged that I do not share a communitarian view on life, I hold an individualist view... I just didn't think we should place/impose our judgment on anyone simply because we disagree with the person's action/decision or because of our existing view on a certain things.
It was truly a tragedy that the girlfriend had to discover him and made the call. My heart goes out to her and the family. I wish it could be scripted better.
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05-05-2012, 02:36 PM #24Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: OT - Tape Released of Junior Seau 911 Call
You do realize that people who commit suicide have mental problems? A rational person like you are me would say it's selfish and dumb to do, but a person with severe mental issues is not thinking rationally. It's an unfortunate situation. My godmother hung herself when I was like 10 or 11. Nobody knew why she did it.
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