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05-02-2012, 02:24 PM #37Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Saints Player Suspensions Announced
For example, if Suggs says he is going to take out Ben R. You don't automatically assume that he means by doing it with illegal hits. Your interpretation is most likely that Suggs means he is going to hit him as hard as he can, within the rules of the game.
The Saints are not getting that interpretation, they all are getting the opposite. They must mean illegal hits. They bring up the hit on Kurt Warner for example. A hit that was completely legal. But somehow, now that is evidence.
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05-02-2012, 02:29 PM #38Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: Saints Player Suspensions Announced
Your assumption about what my interpretation of a hypothetical scenario is, is incorrect.
If Suggs, or another player in the league said that, I would assume that's a figure of speech. if Suggs or any other player i.e the Saints players were saying these things and had a bounty system + had audio of meetings targeting players head (with illegal or legal hits) because the recently had concussions + lying about the bounty system and covering it up, then I would say fine and suspend the player.
I think the suspensions are justified, given all the evidence, and as others mentioned even if they weren't successful the intent was there.Last edited by NCRAVEN; 05-02-2012 at 02:44 PM. Reason: spelling
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05-02-2012, 02:34 PM #41
Re: Saints Player Suspensions Announced
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In the context of criminal law, a conspiracy exists when there is an agreement to violate the law. You do not need to show an *actual* murder in a prosecution for conspiracy to commit murder. Just the agreement to break the law, and some action taken as part of the conspiracy.
If you conspire to circumvent the salary cap, and conspire to injure players, and conspire to obstruct an investigation, and conspire to be a p.o.s. of a human being, there does not need to be a demonstration that a single hit or a single group of hits was legal or illegal.
It's enough that there was a conspiracy.
You are assuming there was not enough evidence, which is quite a startling and unreasonable assumption. There was no public trial and none of these clowns is entitled to a public trial. I will not, though, assume it didn't happen just because I never received a personal invitation from Goodell to observe the meetings and read the memos.Festivus
His definitions and arguments were so clear in his own mind that he was unable to understand how any reasonable person could honestly differ with him.
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05-02-2012, 02:38 PM #42
Re: Saints Player Suspensions Announced
So if I am reading this thread correctly, we have two differing views of the punishment:
1. If you put money down on people deliberately injuring or targeting someone (as opposed to earning your money to play until the whistle), and lie to obstruct an investigation, then there should be a penalty imposed.
2. If the first part of # 1 applies but there is no evidence that anyone actually made an illegal hit or otherwise actually injured someone, then there is to be no penalty.
The story so far as I understand it is that this was going on at one time, that the NFL said "knock it off", that they heard it was still going on, were told "no, it is not", then found out that certain people lied to cover it up, because it in fact was still in place. So the penalties dished out are for doing it, doing it and lying and covering it up when it was investigated.
So what exactly is the reason that there should be no penalties? Or is it the length of the penalties? Or is there a claim that this is pure fiction?Captain Offense
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05-02-2012, 02:40 PM #43
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Re: Saints Player Suspensions Announced
Overall this is about image.
Whether or not folks want to agree or disagree on the "evidence" or lackthereof, this ultimately is about the image of the NFL and more importantly, the image of Roger Goodell.
There are legitimate reasons for why he suspended those players and coaches, but I think if this wasn't such a big deal (as in US Congress and potentially IRS getting involved) then it wouldn't have been nearly as severe.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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05-02-2012, 02:44 PM #45Hall Of Fame Poster
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