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  1. #91

    Re: Would Jacoby Jones Be a Good Fit With Ravens?



    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Me too. I've even owned up to it and eaten some crow about this topic in other threads. Jacoby has been a major surprise and I didn't think he'd be able to contribute nearly as much as he has. I find it interesting that he is splitting time with Doss now, so maybe that is indicative that Doss is getting a lot better?
    Not that Doss isn't getting better - which I think he obviously is - but I think that's more indicative of Jones being such a weapon as a returner. Remember at the beginning of the year, Jones wasn't taking all Punts (Webb was taking the "fair catch" punts) and he wasn't doing KR as all (Deonte Thompson was). Now, he's taking all of them and doing well, so it may be that they are, at times, sort of saving him, knowing that he's such a weapon in the return game.

    I will say this, though, while I love how he aggressively attacks the oncoming coverage teams, he does hold the ball a little too "recklessly" IMO. It's often held away from this body and in a spot where it could well be stripped away more easily. Maybe that's just a product of his height and longer arms, but there have been a couple of times where he's taken some hits (like he did on the reverse on Sunday) and I was concerned that the ball was going to come popping out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    Sorry but I am not one of those people. I've given Jones his props plenty of times this season. I even started a thread about it after he drew that big PI at the end of the NE game.
    Fair enough. To be clear, that part of my comments was meant as more of a general comment, and wasn't intented to be aimed at you - sorry, if it came off that way.
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  3. #93

    Re: Would Jacoby Jones Be a Good Fit With Ravens?

    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    I will say this, though, while I love how he aggressively attacks the oncoming coverage teams, he does hold the ball a little too "recklessly" IMO. It's often held away from this body and in a spot where it could well be stripped away more easily. Maybe that's just a product of his height and longer arms, but there have been a couple of times where he's taken some hit (like he did on the reverse on Sunday) and I was concerned that the ball was going to come popping out.
    He also seems determined to set the ultimate NFL return record with a 110 yard TD. There were a couple of kicks where he stepped out of the end-zone on one, and dropped the ball on the other, that could he, he would have tried to return from the very back of the end-zone. Obviously, he felt (correctly) that he was on the verge of breaking a return, but that will come back to haunt him in the future. Although, I would much rather have Jones trying to return a deep kick then watching Tom Zibokowski try to return a deep kick. Yikes.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    Although, I would much rather have Jones trying to return a deep kick then watching Tom Zibokowski try to return any kick. Yikes.
    LOL........fixed it for ya!
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    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    LOL........fixed it for ya!
    lol...I was about to point that out too
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    I'm going to gloat cause I can and have taken my fair share of criticism on this board. I loved the JJ signing and saw the potential deep threat he brings to the table. He is a difference maker on ST's, what we lacked in past years. I actually enjoy watching kicks again. He with Smith on the other side is a Safeties nightmare. I expect a big game this week from one of the two exploiting the Steelers injuries with a few deep balls or them having to play deep opening up intermediate routes for others. If they blitz, Joe will throw deep to intermediate passes to make them pay. We couldnt say that years before, but can now. "I feeel goood" James Brown




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    Re: Would Jacoby Jones Be a Good Fit With Ravens?

    Jacoby has been awesome. I hope they use him more as a receiver going forward. His speed is killer.




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    Re: Would Jacoby Jones Be a Good Fit With Ravens?

    Jacoby, Torrey, Doss, Reed as 4 wide outs. Now that would be an interesting crew going down field. How do you cover all that speed?

    But hell we would never try that at least 1 time.




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    Re: Would Jacoby Jones Be a Good Fit With Ravens?

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensQB View Post
    Jacoby, Torrey, Doss, Reed as 4 wide outs. Now that would be an interesting crew going down field. How do you cover all that speed?

    But hell we would never try that at least 1 time.
    Reed won't be here next year, not a hope in hell after what jones has done as a returner.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensQB View Post
    Jacoby, Torrey, Doss, Reed as 4 wide outs. Now that would be an interesting crew going down field. How do you cover all that speed?

    But hell we would never try that at least 1 time.
    From what I've read is Doss is the same type of WR as Boldin and doesn't have a ton of speed. Also read that Reed is a possession guy too. I could be wrong but I've seen this written up before.

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    Re: Would Jacoby Jones Be a Good Fit With Ravens?

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorebirds_24 View Post
    From what I've read is Doss is the same type of WR as Boldin and doesn't have a ton of speed.
    Yeah Doss ran a 4.6 40. I think he's our Boldin replacement. Boldin has even said that we wouldn't know Boldin was gone with Doss in the lineup.




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    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    Reed won't be here next year, not a hope in hell after what jones has done as a returner.
    David Reed will be given a chance to make the team next year, but I would agree that the odds are very much against him making the team at this point.

    But, IMO, the question of whether Jones will be our KR next year is very much up in the air at this point. The Ravens will have to pay him $4M to keep him next year. Prior to the season, I would have said (actually did say) that there was probably no way they would pay him that.

    Now, though, I'm not so sure.

    Assuming he continues to play the way that he has, it's going to be very interesting to see what they decide to do. They are going to be very tight against the Cap and if they have to franchise Flacco, they are going to need every available Cap dollar. As such, Jones making $4M seems like a bit of a stretch, but it's also very hard to see them letting go of him after a success, productive season (again, assuming he keeps it up).

    EDIT: Although, if they were to release Boldin - thereby saving $6M in Cap space - they could probably more afford to keep Jones and his $4M in salary and roster bonus (not that I'm advocating that).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    Yeah Doss ran a 4.6 40. I think he's our Boldin replacement. Boldin has even said that we wouldn't know Boldin was gone with Doss in the lineup.
    He also ran that with an injured hip. Iirc, he ran closer to a 4.45 before the injury, and after being 2 years removed, i believe hes probably closer to that again.
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    Re: Would Jacoby Jones Be a Good Fit With Ravens?

    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    David Reed will be given a chance to make the team next year, but I would agree that the odds are very much against him making the team at this point.

    But, IMO, the question of whether Jones will be our KR next year is very much up in the air at this point. The Ravens will have to pay him $4M to keep him next year. Prior to the season, I would have said (actually did say) that there was probably no way they would pay him that.

    Now, though, I'm not so sure.

    Assuming he continues to play the way that he has, it's going to be very interesting to see what they decide to do. They are going to be very tight against the Cap and if they have to franchise Flacco, they are going to need every available Cap dollar. As such, Jones making $4M seems like a bit of a stretch, but it's also very hard to see them letting go of him after a success, productive season (again, assuming he keeps it up).

    EDIT: Although, if they were to release Boldin - thereby saving $6M in Cap space - they could probably more afford to keep Jones and his $4M in salary and roster bonus (not that I'm advocating that).
    If we cut Birk, Bobbie Williams, and restructure Jacoboy and Boldins contract, would there be any significant savings doing that?




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    Re: Would Jacoby Jones Be a Good Fit With Ravens?

    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    David Reed will be given a chance to make the team next year, but I would agree that the odds are very much against him making the team at this point.

    But, IMO, the question of whether Jones will be our KR next year is very much up in the air at this point. The Ravens will have to pay him $4M to keep him next year. Prior to the season, I would have said (actually did say) that there was probably no way they would pay him that.

    Now, though, I'm not so sure.

    Assuming he continues to play the way that he has, it's going to be very interesting to see what they decide to do. They are going to be very tight against the Cap and if they have to franchise Flacco, they are going to need every available Cap dollar. As such, Jones making $4M seems like a bit of a stretch, but it's also very hard to see them letting go of him after a success, productive season (again, assuming he keeps it up).

    EDIT: Although, if they were to release Boldin - thereby saving $6M in Cap space - they could probably more afford to keep Jones and his $4M in salary and roster bonus (not that I'm advocating that).
    I think if they decide to keep Jones, they will work out an extension to lower that cap number at least for next year and the following year.
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