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  1. #106

    Re: How did we do?



    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Happens every year.
    Absolutely. But to be honest, if our 4th round center prospect and upshaw pan out ...that's pretty solid "creativity" by the front office. Lots of people talk up trading down, but the key is finding someone with the extra pick and getting value. I think the team did a very nice job in that spot.

    I don't know much about KO, but I'm inclined to trust the front office in terms of guard prospects after Grubbs/Yanda (I really remember people flipping out about Yanda when we traded up for him in the 3rd).

    Runningback made sense and watching some of the tape....the guy looks legit. You see a bunch of similarity to Rice in terms of lateral quickness and you see a bunch of those stretch/zone running plays. Might play a little bit too upright (could get lit up), but I like it.

    I think much of the bitterness and angst comes from divisional teams getting a lot of players that were hyped and New England and/or Pittsburgh continue to either jump in front of the Ravens to take the player the Ravens would pick or just take really solid guys at good times.

    We'll see in a few years. The sergio kindle draft feels worse and worse all the time. Granted, no one knew he'd fracture his skull, but dear lord (and notice how new england jumped us for Gronk). Then again, the only guy I sorta wish we'd taken in that round was Dunlap...so "eh."
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    Quote Originally Posted by RavingMad View Post
    I'll buy that. Seen Brewster play myself. Tough/smart/talented and played against tougher opponents in the Big Ten.

    Do you believe what he lacks can't be coached up or learned as a backup?

    Do you believe the team is better with Gino than with the top WR available at the time of the pick and Brewster as an undrafted FA?
    I believe any player can be coached up if they're willing to accept the coaching.

    I honestly cannot say if the team would have been better with a top rater WR in round 4 and Brewster as a UDFA or not. You also have to think that UDFA's get a choice in where they sign. Brewster may not have been interested in playing in Baltimore anyway. Gradkowski could end up becoming the best interior offensive lineman out of this draft. We don't know yet.

    What we do know is that the Ravens are one of the better teams when gauging OL prospects and if they liked Gino Gradkowski in the 4th round over Ben Jones & Mike Brewster and other players. So, it's best to reserve judgment until we see him on the field.
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  3. #108

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkHorse View Post
    a pass throwing machine = jugs
    kind of like a baseball pitching machine

    Of COURSE it equals "jugs" . . . how could I have missed the obvious logic of the moniker?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    I disagree with that. They make splashes in the draft all the time. This is the first year in a long time where the Ravens didn't have a pick that most of the fanbase was excited about and proclaiming as the next pro bowl player.
    Just judging by the polls leading up to the draft, ALOT of people werehigh on Upshaw but thinking there was no way he would be available. Him and Gradkowski, and to a lesser extent Streeter are my Fav picks and projected to make the biggest impact,IMO. Streeter being the wildcard, is he Clarence Moore Pt 2, or a serviceable #2? Noone was talking about the G we picked up, don't think his name was even ever mentioned on here but looking at it now he's a solid starter at LG and it shouldn't even be much competition,lol.




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    Re: How did we do?

    The Ravens front office obviously went into this draft thinking it was fantasy football, and after spending a few hours on the internet checking out a few sites and reading a few expert opinions, made their board. Then, once the draft began, it all began to unravel and they just started grabbing guys they had heard the name of once or twice, or that an office secretary's husband had mentioned.

    Yeah, that's exactly how they operate.




  6. #111

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    Panicked? Come on, man. This crew has been together for how many years? They don't panic.
    In fact, either Ozzie or Eric (maybe both) said last night that this was the most organized that they've ever been for a draft.

    Once the draft gets moving it's a rolling game of scenario analysis (done mostly before the clock starts on Thursday) married with risk management (real-time, all weekend). Any given FO has terabytes of more information than 99% of us. Our FO's information is even more "customized" than most other FO's b/c we believe in 1st person evaluations over independent analysis from Scouts, Inc and others.

    Critiquing the players is one thing, but critiquing our draft process?
    I mean, unless you had a seat in the war room, you're just barking in the back yard.
    Using opinions to criticize another for having an opinion. Classic.




  7. #112

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayc00 View Post
    Higher rated by who's standard?
    By over 98% of folks who are paid to do it.




  8. #113

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    I disagree with that. They make splashes in the draft all the time. This is the first year in a long time where the Ravens didn't have a pick that most of the fanbase was excited about and proclaiming as the next pro bowl player.
    We do? Who?

    Splash = trading up to take the "next Brandon Marshall, Andre Johnson, Darrelle Revis, Julius Peppers, Ray Lewis," type of player.
    Splash =/= JSmith, TSmith, Oher, Grubbs, Ngata and trading back in 2010. Flacco was a bold move, but not a splash. The trade that we tried to get ATL to bite on in order to take Matt Ryan would have been a splash.




  9. #114

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    Quote Originally Posted by RavingMad View Post
    1. I never referred to the Safety in my post. The RB and G/C pick specifically are the panic picks. More so when than who.

    2. When the players targeted ( 2 guards and ILB) were taken ( 2 by division opponents) they feared more targets would be taken and they reached to get them. IE they panicked
    So once Hightower got passed Pitt, if the Ravens traded up to get him, would it have been a panic move...assuming like everyone else that the Pats not only weren't going to trade up, but didn't need him? I'd argue that most thought he'd be there if he got pass the Steelers and there wouldn't have been a need to trade up.

    As for Pierce...I think he was every bit worth the pick where he was taken and there were some who thought he'd have been a 2nd round pick. The guy is a beast.

    I don't think C was a panic pick either. Just because certain posters had a hard on for these mid/late round WR's doesn't mean that they would be better pros than Gino may be. Frankly, I don't think any other than Childs out of that group people had a hard on for were are going to be anything special (Marvin Jones, McNutt, Criner, Toon and Cunningham) and apparently, most NFL teams think the same. The only WR's taken on day 3 that I would have liked were Childs (HUGE injury risk though), Adams (mostly to mainly be a return guy) and the guy we got, Streeter.

    And with all the complaining about Birk not getting any push and not being strong enough, no way in hell I take Brewster who routinely didn't get much push and struggled in pass pro.




  10. #115

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    Quote Originally Posted by RavingMad View Post
    Using opinions to criticize another for having an opinion. Classic.

    I'm not criticizing your opinion, or your right to have an opinion. I'm criticizing your logic.
    So let's call that "nouveau classic".




  11. #116

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    Quote Originally Posted by RavingMad View Post
    By over 98% of folks who are paid to do it.
    Oh...the media.

    They are always right.




  12. #117

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    Love the Pierce pick. IMO he was after Trent Richardson and maybe Doug Martin in terms of pro potential. I know this can be viewed as an insane comparison but he reminds me of Arian Foster in style of running. He is a beast. Also love the Streeter pick in the 6th, he has great upside and I would rather take a flyer on him late than spending the Upshaw pick on a guy like Stephen Hill. We dont have the "A" grade from the talking heads since we dont have sexy names all over the place but this could turn out to be the type of draft to set us up long term keeping that window open.




  13. #118

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    So once Hightower got passed Pitt, if the Ravens traded up to get him, would it have been a panic move...assuming like everyone else that the Pats not only weren't going to trade up, but didn't need him? I'd argue that most thought he'd be there if he got pass the Steelers and there wouldn't have been a need to trade up.

    As for Pierce...I think he was every bit worth the pick where he was taken and there were some who thought he'd have been a 2nd round pick. The guy is a beast.

    I don't think C was a panic pick either. Just because certain posters had a hard on for these mid/late round WR's doesn't mean that they would be better pros than Gino may be. Frankly, I don't think any other than Childs out of that group people had a hard on for were are going to be anything special (Marvin Jones, McNutt, Criner, Toon and Cunningham) and apparently, most NFL teams think the same. The only WR's taken on day 3 that I would have liked were Childs (HUGE injury risk though), Adams (mostly to mainly be a return guy) and the guy we got, Streeter.

    And with all the complaining about Birk not getting any push and not being strong enough, no way in hell I take Brewster who routinely didn't get much push and struggled in pass pro.
    1. Brewster got plenty of push against much better competition. Scouts have questioned Gradkowski's size and strength as well.....


    Strengths: Smart, assignment sound blocker with good awareness, keeping his head on a swivel. Professional makeup and coachable with the desire to be the best and doesn't cheat his ability. Tough and gritty, playing with a chip on his shoulder. Versatile with playing experience at all three interior line spots. Heady with high football IQ and very good bloodlines. Prides himself on fundamentals and plays to his strengths, understanding what he's best at and where he needs to improve. Tough-minded with natural leadership qualities. Works hard to hone his craft and plays with a competitive drive and blue collar mentality. Weaknesses: Only average size and length. Lacks overpowering strength to dominate defenders on brute power alone. Has stiff hips and lacks
    the fluidity or ankle flexion to quickly redirect his momentum. Not a natural knee bender and needs to be more consistent dropping his hips and anchoring at the point of attack. Tends to get grabby and rely on his upper body strength when beat, latching on and stopping his feet. Played at a lower level of competition and didn't face top defensive linemen week-in and week-out.

    Again it's more of when then who.

    2. When it comes to the WR'S conditions and needs justify/explain why other teams passed on certain players. Not a good barometer.




  14. #119

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Oh...the media.

    They are always right.
    I guess only when you agree with them.

    But I was speaking of scouts. That the media relies on btw.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavingMad View Post
    I guess only when you agree with them.

    But I was speaking of scouts. That the media relies on btw.
    Again, I'm sure that the Ravens followed their board in making that pick in particular. So what you're actually surmising, then, is that Ozzie and company must have been coked up the day they rated centers for the board?




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