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Thread: How did we do?
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05-02-2012, 09:37 AM #301Veteran Poster
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Re: How did we do?
This. I have always contended that you could bring in Jerry Rice and Randy Moss in their primes and this offense would not drastically change. I believe the reason Cam was kept around because his philosophy aligns with organizational goal of controlling the clock, establishing the run to set up the pass and let the defense hold the lead in the fourth quarter to win games. They don't care about style points.
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05-02-2012, 09:56 AM #303Legendary RSR Poster
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05-02-2012, 10:09 AM #304
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05-02-2012, 10:23 AM #305
Re: How did we do?
Okay, fair enough - although I question your judgement in the first sentence. I think the Ravens didn't have things fall into their laps as easily as some other past drafts, and it forced them to manuever and make adjustments as they went. If thats antsy, so be it, but it doesn't mean they drafted poorly. I still think they stayed true to their board, so in that aspect the draft went like all the other ones. Picking once every 30+ picks is going to mean that you aren't going to get every guy on the list. Sometimes choices had to be made. If one of them was Osemele or Randle, I think they made the right choice. Others would disagree and time will tell if it was the right choice. It's not as if they took a QB in the 2nd round.
They lost a starting OLB and LG, which punched holes in their 'near Super Bowl' team from last year. Of course they had to find replacements, and I tend to believe them when they say that Upshaw and Osemele were the highest guys on their board at those points. Those guys were 1st and 2nd round rated by most people. Would I have liked them to land Sanu, Floyd, Jeffrey, etc? Sure, but they can only get one guy at a time. Probably, by the time they were picking, no WR was all that high on their board, or at least not as high as they guy they chose. I think they see development in Reed and Doss that the average fan can't see because we don't have access to practices. Not every pick is expected to be a home run and an immediate contributor. Some of the guys who will step up and play a bigger role this year were drafted last year and the year before. Fans are way too impatient.
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05-02-2012, 12:18 PM #306
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05-02-2012, 12:34 PM #307
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RM, with all due respect, that is your interpretation of what they said. It is not FACT, like you seem to want to project it. What they said is certainly open to interpretation. You have yours and others obviously have their own. I think where the problem lies is that many have objected to your interpretation that they panicked and your belief, expressed as a certainty (as in the above quote), that their words, in fact, support that they panicked.
Well, you've also been doing your fair share of "labeling" as well, and it's come to the point that your broad brush application now makes anyone who disagrees with you, a "blind homer".
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05-02-2012, 04:16 PM #309
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I. Since many were splitting hairs between panic and antsy (there 's very little space between the 2 IMO) I conceded to go with antsy to squash the back and forth prior to your reply.
2. You accuse me of using a broad brush when yourself is being broad about my posts. I never said everyone that disagreed with me was homer. I never associated that term to you...GOTA...DIRT...ETC. I have had disagreement with all these folks and never implied they were homers. But IMO there are some this label fits. They have bought into the notion that everything Ozzie says is right and everything he touches is golden. That it is impossible for the Ravens to have a bad draft is the mind set for some because it's Ozzie and it's their home team. So yes after being called a troll and to hear the crazy notion that I want the Ravens to fail because I have a different opinion, I think it fair and accurate to lable some huggers and homers. I keep it broad not to specifically insult anyone.
I wish that some would speak up when the term troll is used so liberally by some. Especially when it's based off a disagreement.
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Re: How did we do?
Way i look at it....they filled 3 immediate needs with their first 3 picks (OLB, LG, #2 RB). did they stray a little bit from their usual BPA strategy and put more of an emphases on team needs? Or did they get really lucky and have their first 3 BPA picks land at positions of great need? Time will tell...im excited about this draft and certainly think our FO has earned the benefit of doubt.
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05-02-2012, 10:39 PM #311
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05-02-2012, 10:59 PM #312
Re: How did we do?
I think that's where a lot of the disagreement really IS coming from - I'm guessing that most would disagree that there's little space between them. IMO, "antsy" is "a little nervous", whereas "panicking" is well, "panicking" - being a lot nervous and then doing something stupid because of it.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but I see nothing in what was said to indicate that the Ravens are admitting that they blew the draft or anything like that, just that they needed to take a somewhat different approach because this year, for some reason, other team's draft boards looked much more like the Ravens draft board than in the past. So, they simply had to go further down their list than they usually do - and really wanted to.
2. You accuse me of using a broad brush when yourself is being broad about my posts. I never said everyone that disagreed with me was homer. I never associated that term to you...GOTA...DIRT...ETC. I have had disagreement with all these folks and never implied they were homers. But IMO there are some this label fits. They have bought into the notion that everything Ozzie says is right and everything he touches is golden. That it is impossible for the Ravens to have a bad draft is the mind set for some because it's Ozzie and it's their home team. So yes after being called a troll and to hear the crazy notion that I want the Ravens to fail because I have a different opinion, I think it fair and accurate to lable some huggers and homers. I keep it broad not to specifically insult anyone.
I wish that some would speak up when the term troll is used so liberally by some. Especially when it's based off a disagreement.
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