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  1. #211

    Re: How did we do?



    [QUOTE=Boulderraven;451254]
    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    I posted last night that a guy on radio said the brass wasn't
    as excited this year as they were last year over Jimmy and Torrey.

    Here's a link from the Ravens own site saying the same thing. It
    quotes DeCosta saying last year we hit a home run. This year
    the mood is different.

    The article goes on to say the players they really wanted in each
    round was taken. It looks like they rated Hightower the highest and it
    looked like we were gonna get him but didn't. It was like
    the Joe Staley draft when Mike NOlan jumped in front to get him
    and we haven't settled the LT position yet.

    The Ravens presser was like a morgue that year and not filled
    with excitement yesterday. So you can't fault the fans for
    not
    being excited either. Like I posted Sat, all the guys I hung out
    with Frid night were upset.

    Ozzie didn't even want Upshaw on the first round and could
    have had. Then
    he trades out and said there were several players we liked but we wanted more
    picks. We will get 1 of those players we passed on in the first, so Upshaw might
    not have been one of them.
    The poster who said teams are catching up with Ravens is on
    to something cause Ozzie says the same thing in this article.
    He says teams now know what it takes to win as their targeted
    player kept going off the board in each round. That's why Decosta said
    the mood is different this year - with him and many of the fans.

    Finally, DeCosta says we had to manufacture our own runs

    We're just gonna have to wait 2 yrs to see how Upshaw and
    the guard and Center pans out but Ravens brass were not
    excited at their presser like last year.

    BTW, Piss is getting high grades for their draft while Ozzie goes to a B+
    mainly for the Center from Delaware but as pointed out, Piss and NE had
    him rated as a top Center in the draft and Piss wanted the RB from Temple
    and had him in for a visit
    Just my humble freaking opinion.

    __________________________________________________
    Last year, the beaming Ravens director of player personnel said the Ravens “had good pitching, hit the ball well and won


    the game

    This year, DeCosta and General Manager Ozzie Newsome – the team’s two draft leaders – were in a different mood.
    ________________________________________________

    So are many of the fans.

    Last year they where stoked cause they got Jimmy Smith a top 10 talent at CB/maybe the most important position in the modern NFL next to QB. Smith fell cause of
    Underage drinking at CU, what a joke. He if not for that is not a Raven. He was opening day starter on a team with veteran corners. JS will be the best CB in Raven history likely
    When he is done. We didn't add anyone of that caliber in this draft. That's why they where stoked. Even Claiborne or Gilmore don't have his raw talent.
    BR, you have to admit that a lot of what happened in this years draft can be attributed to where we were picking from and who was picking in front of us. The Steelers had identical needs to ours and they were always 5 to 7 spots ahead, they were basically sitting where we normally would be. Cincinnati and New England had similar needs as well, the Bungles picking before us and the Pats trading up by virtue of all of the draft picks that they collect every year like so many trinkets.

    IMO, the outcome of this years draft has more to do with simple economics than it does with other teams catching up to us and decoding our draft strategy. Maybe it's the price of success that we are witnessing?




  2. #212

    Re: How did we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    According to your link:

    I dunno, but that doesn't sound like panic to me.

    The thing about the rankings by scouts and websites is that the Ravens do not subscribe to the scouting service most the rest of the league does. They use their own scouts and create their own rankings. I am sure they made adjustments on the fly when a player they coveted was selected earlier in a round, but that is not the same as panicking, and it isn't the same as reaching.
    This right here!!

    The Ravens brought in some players that should help. After listening to the interviews and watching the videos I like the general theme of this years draft which to me was to bring in not only talent but players that are team oriented and leaders.

    I would have liked the Ravens to bring in a stronger draft class but sometimes the cards don't fall your way. All I can ask as a fan is the front office be prepared and by all accounts they were. I give them a solid B, but truth is no matter what any grade they get from anyone only time will tell what kind of draft this was.




  3. #213

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    Can I ask a favor of the board? I've read several times here that it was reported that Gradowski was the #1 center on the Steelers, Pats, and Ravens board. Can I ask where that rumor originated? Where was it reported? Thanks in advance.




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    Quote Originally Posted by pickles View Post
    Can I ask a favor of the board? I've read several times here that it was reported that Gradowski was the #1 center on the Steelers, Pats, and Ravens board. Can I ask where that rumor originated? Where was it reported? Thanks in advance.
    I think Jason LaCanforna tweeted that multiple teams had Gradkowski rated very high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I think Jason LaCanforna tweeted that multiple teams had Gradkowski rated very high.
    Appreciate it. Hate to ask, but did he specifically say that the Ravens, Pats, and Steelers had Gradowski #1?




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    Quote Originally Posted by pickles View Post
    Appreciate it. Hate to ask, but did he specifically say that the Ravens, Pats, and Steelers had Gradowski #1?
    No, but (IMO) it would appear that (judging from the number of teams that took an interior OL'man in the 4th or early 5th) that teams like Houston [took Ben Jones directly after], Denver [took Phillip Blake 9 picks later], and possibly San Francisco [took Joe Looney 18 picks later] could have all had Gradkowski rated pretty well.

    I can't remember correctly if he or someone else insinuated that teams like Pittsburgh, New England, etc had Gradkowski rated pretty well.

    Considering there was a bit of a run on interior OL'men between the mid4th through the 5th round [including 5 in the 5th round and 3 back-to-back selections of guard prospects] it was a good time for the Ravens to get who they wanted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    No, but (IMO) it would appear that (judging from the number of teams that took an interior OL'man in the 4th or early 5th) that teams like Houston [took Ben Jones directly after], Denver [took Phillip Blake 9 picks later], and possibly San Francisco [took Joe Looney 18 picks later] could have all had Gradkowski rated pretty well.

    I can't remember correctly if he or someone else insinuated that teams like Pittsburgh, New England, etc had Gradkowski rated pretty well.

    Considering there was a bit of a run on interior OL'men between the mid4th through the 5th round [including 5 in the 5th round and 3 back-to-back selections of guard prospects] it was a good time for the Ravens to get who they wanted.
    I don't have a problem w the pick. Shit, what do I know? I'm just talking w a Steeler fan friend of mine, who's making the same kind of Ozzie reached arguement, when I told him that the Steelers, Pats, and Ravens had Gradowski ranked first, and he question the source. I read it here quite a few times, but I was just trying to track down the original source.

    Thanks for the reply.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post


    IMO, the outcome of this years draft has more to do with simple economics than it does with other teams catching up to us and decoding our draft strategy. Maybe it's the price of success that we are witnessing?
    What I think happened was teams, in general this year, targeted specific guys they wanted, and if they got near to them, did what it took to get them. The Ravens did not. They sat at their position and did the best they could.




  9. #219

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickles View Post
    Appreciate it. Hate to ask, but did he specifically say that the Ravens, Pats, and Steelers had Gradowski #1?
    His tweet said that Gradkowski had 3rd round grades from smart teams.




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    In what universe does "adjust and make decisions on the fly" equal "panicked and reached"?
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    Re: How did we do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven Maniac View Post

    What I think happened was teams, in general this year, targeted specific guys they wanted, and if they got near to them, did what it took to get them. The Ravens did not. They sat at their position and did the best they could.
    I also believe that because of the rookie wage scale as defined by the new CBA this is going to be the norm going forward. Hopefully they will modify their approach and this won't happen again.




  12. #222

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    Quote Originally Posted by blah3 View Post
    His tweet said that Gradkowski had 3rd round grades from smart teams.
    So nobody actually said the Steelers, Ravens, and Pats had him as the #1 ranked center on the board?




  13. #223

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    I also believe that because of the rookie wage scale as defined by the new CBA this is going to be the norm going forward. Hopefully they will modify their approach and this won't happen again.
    Eh. I don't think it's so black and white as that. That's only true if the Ravens go into a draft, or round, with one specific guy they want. I don't think anybody believes they do that. If there are several guys they are satisfied w at a pick, and they can trade down, and still get one, like what happened in the first this year, then that's exactly what they should do.




  14. #224

    Re: How did we do?

    I think we had a solid draft when looking at it alone we did very well. I think the doubt starts to set in with some when you compare us to the other top dogs of the AFC and our own division. Pats, Steelers, and Bengals all had really really good drafts as well. Im not sure you can say we got better per say, which is what a lot of analysts are saying, but we did win the division last year. although, our rivals did get better and probably narrowed that gap.

    Missed Targets

    I think even Eric and Ozzie are down on this draft somewhat. They missed out on their targets and drafted lower on their board than usual. I think thats adding to what people are feeling.
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  15. #225

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    Ozzie admitted in his presser that this is the first draft in quite some time where the top players they targeted were not there so they had to get "creative" per Eric Decosta but in no way does getting "creative" equate to "reaching". I think as fans we've been accustomed to some great drafting in the past and frankly somewhat spoiled. Sometimes a little luck is involved so the chips didn't fall our way this year. I give the ravens draft a B-. It was a little underwhelming but a lot of that is because all of our desired sexy picks came off the board. I'm confident this draft will yield some gems and even more confident that the ravens will continue to upgrade the roster before the start of the season.




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