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    Seems to me the ravens need to grade 175 players next year instead of the 150 they normally do.
    I think the uncomfortableness I have is that a lot of the guys we picked were from smaller schools.
    As long as we got guys that eat, sleep and breath football, that's a start.
    Now we'll see how the ravens coach em up.




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    I posted last night that a guy on radio said the brass wasn't
    as excited this year as they were last year over Jimmy and Torrey.

    Here's a link from the Ravens own site saying the same thing. It
    quotes DeCosta saying last year we hit a home run. This year
    the mood is different.

    The article goes on to say the players they really wanted in each
    round was taken. It looks like they rated Hightower the highest and it
    looked like we were gonna get him but didn't. It was like
    the Joe Staley draft when Mike NOlan jumped in front to get him
    and we haven't settled the LT position yet.

    The Ravens presser was like a morgue that year and not filled
    with excitement yesterday. So you can't fault the fans for not
    being excited either. Like I posted Sat, all the guys I hung out
    with Frid night were upset.

    Ozzie didn't even want Upshaw on the first round and could have had. Then
    he trades out and said there were several players we liked but we wanted more
    picks. We will get 1 of those players we passed on in the first, so Upshaw might
    not have been one of them.

    The poster who said teams are catching up with Ravens is on
    to something cause Ozzie says the same thing in this article.
    He says teams now know what it takes to win as their targeted
    player kept going off the board in each round. That's why Decosta said
    the mood is different this year - with him and many of the fans.

    Finally, DeCosta says we had to manufacture our own runs.

    We're just gonna have to wait 2 yrs to see how Upshaw and
    the guard and Center pans out but Ravens brass were not
    excited at their presser like last year.

    BTW, Piss is getting high grades for their draft while Ozzie goes to a B+
    mainly for the Center from Delaware but as pointed out, Piss and NE had
    him rated as a top Center in the draft and Piss wanted the RB from Temple
    and had him in for a visit.


    Just my humble freaking opinion.

    __________________________________________________
    Last year, the beaming Ravens director of player personnel said the Ravens “had good pitching, hit the ball well and won the game.”

    This year, DeCosta and General Manager Ozzie Newsome – the team’s two draft leaders – were in a different mood.
    ________________________________________________

    So are many of the fans.





    http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/201...216;wiped-out/
    Last edited by AirFlacco; 04-29-2012 at 09:05 PM.




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    How did we do? NONE of knows, and we will NOT know for quite a while. But, hey, it's fun to speculate, guess, and vent. One thing I DO know: I'm glad ravingmad is on my ignore list!

    IMVHO: we might have been a little too passive, thus letting Pitt and NE steal our lunch.
    I know nada about KO, but I taught at ISU and I DO know they produce some big, strong, mean mothas. Just the kind we need.
    I think Upshaw will be just OK, but not a super star. The player who moves into Ray's locker is still in college somewhere.
    Pierce is perplexing. Lots of pretty extravagant praise for him on this board, but lots of us were a bit over the top on Anthony Allen, too, right? Let's remember that Pierce is not without flaws: too upright, little exper as a pass catcher or pass blocker, low level of comp, etc.
    Christian Thompson sounds like a guy with a future, and I'm glad we got a potentially good PR/KR -- Asa Jackson. But, another CB? Yes, I know, "You can't have too many CBs," but don't we have about 17 now?
    Gino Gradkowski? He WILL be HoF. Bank on it: he sounds like me -- half Pole, half Italian. And that is about as realistic as the rest of our speculation. In Oz I trust (but not with my wife)




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    Looks like some people need to ignore the wine bottle. #drunkposting




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    I could go into an explanation about how each pick they made helps the team, but I'm not going to waste my time when you guys are saying "panicking and reaching". Seriously guys (and I might be bad for this too, so I realize practice what you preach), contrary to what you believe you do not know more than Ozzie and the Ravens staff. Experts don't either, who gives a shit if they give us a bad grade, no one can give an accurate grade after a draft because how you play in college isn't the same as the NFL. It's a different type of game. You guys can criticize this all you want, but whoever is saying we did bad, don't make that judgement now because your opinion has no logical background to it. You're making an assumption based off nothing. Think about it




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    I believe that three years from now the guy who's going to be sitting at the top of the Ravens 2012 draft class heap is going to be Tommy Streeter. Flacco, Smith and Streeter are going to be a deadly combo in this league for a long, long time. The only one who can prove me wrong on this is Streeter - and only time will tell




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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Ozzie didn't even want Upshaw on the first round and could have had. Then he trades out and said there were several players we liked but we wanted more picks. We will get 1 of those players we passed on in the first, so Upshaw might not have been one of them.

    http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/201...ot-‘wiped-out/
    Acording to the link you posted, Upshaw was probably one them:

    DeCosta was thrilled with the first-round trade, which enabled Baltimore to get an extra fourth-round pick (used on guard/center Gino Gradkowski) and still snag outside linebacker Courtney Upshaw.




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    According to your link:

    [DeCosta] said Baltimore was prepared for it and handled it well with Newsome and Vice President of Football Administration Pat Moriarty doing the negotiating. DeCosta said the Ravens were probably the most organized they’ve ever been this year in terms of the different scenarios that could play out.

    I dunno, but that doesn't sound like panic to me.

    The thing about the rankings by scouts and websites is that the Ravens do not subscribe to the scouting service most the rest of the league does. They use their own scouts and create their own rankings. I am sure they made adjustments on the fly when a player they coveted was selected earlier in a round, but that is not the same as panicking, and it isn't the same as reaching.




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    Yes, that's what I said. Ozzie didn't even want him in the first round. He didn't take him.
    What's so hard to understand about that?

    Upshaw was there in the first and Oz passed on him to trade down and get him
    cheaper and pick up an extra pick. They stood the chance to lose him in the second round but didn't.

    Ozzie's exact words were: One of the players we liked should be there in
    round two. They lucked out with Upshaw.

    They were still un-excited like last year when they got Jimmy and Torrey.
    I just watched their presser. The link said the mood was different.

    A guy on the radio said that and the link said that. What's so hard to understand
    about that?
    Last edited by AirFlacco; 04-30-2012 at 12:07 AM.




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    [QUOTE=AirFlacco;451223]I posted last night that a guy on radio said the brass wasn't
    as excited this year as they were last year over Jimmy and Torrey.

    Here's a link from the Ravens own site saying the same thing. It
    quotes DeCosta saying last year we hit a home run. This year
    the mood is different.

    The article goes on to say the players they really wanted in each
    round was taken. It looks like they rated Hightower the highest and it
    looked like we were gonna get him but didn't. It was like
    the Joe Staley draft when Mike NOlan jumped in front to get him
    and we haven't settled the LT position yet.

    The Ravens presser was like a morgue that year and not filled
    with excitement yesterday. So you can't fault the fans for
    not
    being excited either. Like I posted Sat, all the guys I hung out
    with Frid night were upset.

    Ozzie didn't even want Upshaw on the first round and could
    have had. Then
    he trades out and said there were several players we liked but we wanted more
    picks. We will get 1 of those players we passed on in the first, so Upshaw might
    not have been one of them.
    The poster who said teams are catching up with Ravens is on
    to something cause Ozzie says the same thing in this article.
    He says teams now know what it takes to win as their targeted
    player kept going off the board in each round. That's why Decosta said
    the mood is different this year - with him and many of the fans.

    Finally, DeCosta says we had to manufacture our own runs

    We're just gonna have to wait 2 yrs to see how Upshaw and
    the guard and Center pans out but Ravens brass were not
    excited at their presser like last year.

    BTW, Piss is getting high grades for their draft while Ozzie goes to a B+
    mainly for the Center from Delaware but as pointed out, Piss and NE had
    him rated as a top Center in the draft and Piss wanted the RB from Temple
    and had him in for a visit
    Just my humble freaking opinion.

    __________________________________________________
    Last year, the beaming Ravens director of player personnel said the Ravens “had good pitching, hit the ball well and won


    the game

    This year, DeCosta and General Manager Ozzie Newsome – the team’s two draft leaders – were in a different mood.
    ________________________________________________

    So are many of the fans.

    Last year they where stoked cause they got Jimmy Smith a top 10 talent at CB/maybe the most important position in the modern NFL next to QB. Smith fell cause of
    Underage drinking at CU, what a joke. He if not for that is not a Raven. He was opening day starter on a team with veteran corners. JS will be the best CB in Raven history likely
    When he is done. We didn't add anyone of that caliber in this draft. That's why they where stoked. Even Claiborne or Gilmore don't have his raw talent.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavingMad View Post
    I just want to clarify my opinion and statement that the Ravens panicked and reached for 2 picks. From multiple reports (I know its a bad term here) the Ravens had 3 main targets and they believed one would fall to them and that is the guard from Wisconsin, the guard from Stanford, and ILB from Alabama. I 'm not saying they didn't have a back up plan in case the guys were gone, what I am saying is they changed their philosophy or got creative as Decosta said
    First, the report from the Ravens said they had nine guys they were looking at w their first round pick.

    The idea that they had three guys in mind, and only three guys, and when they were gone they shit their pants, is patently stupid.

    So because the two guards they wanted were gone, and the ILB, they then proceeded to reach for a RB and a C? What kind of sense does that make?

    None.


    My point when it comes to small school players is you have to take into consideration their competition when you are scouting, analyzing and evaluating their skill set and talent. Seeing a player get push against lesser competition or seeing a RB run over less competition can cause them to shoot up your board.
    No shit. That's brilliant. I bet Oz and Decosta never even considered that. You write up a study about that: Competition isn't as good at D-II as it is in the SEC. Nobody's ever thought of that before.

    The Ravens have a terrible track record of over-drafting small school guys. Webb, Flacco, Scott. They just continue to bomb these picks year after year. They need your insight.




  13. #208

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    Quote Originally Posted by RavingMad View Post
    More Decosta. This article paints the picture of tone and mood of the war room.

    http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/201...0%98wiped-out/


    The other GM'S have up'd their game. Seems the brass was caught off guard and stunned.
    Did you read the article? Jesus, man.

    The Ravens concede that alot of the guys they targeted were picked, which they didn't really expect. They have no control over that.

    But to say they were caught off guard and stunned is wrong. DeCosta said they were "the best organized they ever been for different scenarios." That's pretty unambiguous. Did you read that? Or did you not make it that far? It was at the bottom of the article.




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    Quote Originally Posted by seraph View Post
    No one's talking about the past. Those teams have built good teams into the future and they take risks that seem to work out well.
    Oh, so to evaluate who drafts better we shouldn't evaluate the past? We should evaluate the hypothetical future seasons and drafts that are available?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds View Post
    I like the way Hensley put it:



    Maybe folks are worried because there aren't any splash players that we drafted but the team quietly address all they're needs despite having to do some maneuvering after key targets were snatched up.
    And out of those 50 or so splash players, how many are actually going to pan out to become real assets to the teams that drafted them? We put way to much stock into hoopla that the sports media creates to sell magazines and boost viewer ratings. We Graded a solid B in this draft and the more I read about the players that we drafted the happier I become with the choices that were made.




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