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    I think we draft significantly better than the Texans and our comparative records prove that. How many Hall of Famers can the Texans put on their draft success board? Andre Johnson potentially. Mario Williams is good but his numbers are pretty much the same as Peter Boulware's and we don't hang our hats on how awesome we were to draft him do we? Foster and Rice are comparable. Beyond that? Comparing us to the Texans is laughable.

    Giants? Eli is making a case for Hall of Fame consideration, other than that who have they drafted in the last 16 years who is getting to the Hall? They're a very well coached team, and Eli is super clutch which is why they have 2 rings. But in terms of drafting, I don't think they've had the kind of historic success that Ozzie Newsome has.

    Packers? Who on their roster is getting to the Hall? Darren Sharper was a great player for them and he has a shot. Finding Donald Driver in the 7th round is worth a tip of the hat. But frankly I don't think they're better at drafting than we are. I think Rodgers makes his receivers look great, but they win in spite of their defense, and their offensive line is crap. They've blown two high picks in a row on tackles and neither one could beat out Marshall Newhouse for the starting LT job.
    No one's talking about the past. Those teams have built good teams into the future and they take risks that seem to work out well.




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    In what universe does "adjust and make decisions on the fly" equal "panicked and reached"?
    My motto was always to keep swinging. Whether I was in a slump or feeling badly or having trouble off the field, the only thing to do was keep swinging. -Hank Aaron




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    Quote Originally Posted by seraph View Post
    No one's talking about the past. Those teams have built good teams into the future and they take risks that seem to work out well.
    Oh stupid me. I should have known you were talking about how you KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN in the future, whereas I was living in reality and basing my expectations for the future on the way things have worked out in the past. How stupid of me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RavingMad View Post
    Dude you stuck on this Brewster argument. I didn't even bring up Brewster as a reference. Wicked did. When can argue about undrafted Fa's another day. But my point is highlighted by Ozzie and Decosta themselves. They saw the flow of the draft and confirmed they had to QUICKLY ADJUST ON THE FLY. If that don't tell you that they figured they had to start reaching I don't know what will.

    If you read the article, you can see why many wasn't on their board. They were so used to having so many still there late in the day... there board was limited. They underestimated the league. They know better now and admitted they got to adjust going forward.

    It's ABSURD that folks here who BLINDLY follow/trust Ozzie and co. are more excited about the draft then Ozzie and co. LOL
    When you bring up that there are similar rated players in later rounds, rather than just throwing up an argument without any facts to support it, maybe some would take it more reasonably if you gave some examples. All I read is (paraphrasing) "we panicked and drafted guys that could have been had later or another player with a similar skillset". The fact here is that you are making some very big assumptions based on where guys like Mel Kiper have guys rated. Like I said before, all it takes is one team.

    As for the adjustments comment, I fail to see the association with panicking and reaching. I don't know about you, but at my job when I have to make adjustments on the fly, I'm not in a panicking mode or making rash decisions...the 2 are not tied to the hip.

    And nobody is perfect, not Ozzie, not the guy in New England not Jerry Reese, and not the guys up I70. But when you have the track record that they have, yes, most tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. Nobody knows what these players will wind up being for another couple years anyway so to act like you know they made mistakes is wrong...just as wrong as someone proclaiming all the picks to be hits.

    FWIW...I remember 2 of the most "boring" drafts being the 2001 and 2002 drafts...and they both wound up being good drafts. 2002 in particular was a first round where every single one of their top players were gone as well...and they had to draft the 24th player on their board. We all know who that player wound up being.

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    In what universe does "adjust and make decisions on the fly" equal "panicked and reached"?
    lol...I have no idea...




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    Lol. Some will arguing with Ozzie about what he is thinking.

    Not too many jobs where the clock is ticking, what someone hundreds miles away is doing has an effect on your every decision and you don't know what they are going to do or when they are going to do it. Lol. But if like your team built on the fly...so be it.

    You guys can go ahead enjoy convincing yourselves everything went according to plan. Me, Ozzie and Eric will deal with reality. Later fellas....Go Ravens!!




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    Re: How did we do?

    The question isn't whether or not other teams in the division improved with this draft. The question is whether or not they improved enough to take down the Ravens.

    Did Cleveland really do enough to take down Baltimore?

    Dre Kirkpatrick was a good pick by the Bengals and his versatility could help against Torrey Smith. However, it was Ray Rice who beat them the second time. Did they do enough to stop him?

    Pittsburgh's pick of David DeCastro was great. However, Mike Adams might not even start this year and if he does, he will still need a lot of work on his technique. Did Pittsburgh make any moves to get more pressure on Flacco or cover Torrey?
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    You have claimed Ozzie panicked. Support that with any sort of evidence and people might take you seriously.

    Courtney was projected to go mid first. Osemele was projected to go between 40 and 60. We got him at 60. Pierce was projected to go between 2 and 4, we got him in the back third of the third.

    Not seeing a lot of panic. I'm seeing 3 needs, three picks, all at or after where they were expected to go.
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    This is the same every year. A fans favorite prospects do not get selected for one reason or another and they panic. They all of a sudden know better than Ozzie. They would have done so much better and this team would be superbowl bound with 8 rookie draft picks. These kids are called "PROSPECTS" for a reason. No one knows for sure how these kids will react in the new enviroment of the NFL. There are people that are very good at evaluating these " PROSPECTS " and at the top of the list is the Baltimore Ravens ! Sure, we could be like some teams that are consistantly high on the draft boards and get big name splashers like they do. But I would much rather be crafty and working at the bottom of the draft board with sound quality pics that can contribute to the team. Being at the bottom of the draft board has one real big advantage. You as a fan got to see your team have a winning season and make it into the playoffs and have a shot at the superbowl. I would not trade or change how our front office does things for any team in the NFL. As far as the remarks made by Oz and DeCosta, I think they were reffering to how the draft went. And to be honest I do not think this draft class was overflowing with talent like some in the past. I think there was limited talent to pull from and that is why you saw them have to go into their top 150 instead of their top 100. Sure it was a bit different for them to be in that situation, but dont think for one second that they were not prepared for it. And dont think that they handled it irrationally.

    Please, Please come back to this thread after this season. Then please explain to us how they " panicked and reached "




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    Re: How did we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    The question isn't whether or not other teams in the division improved with this draft. The question is whether or not they improved enough to take down the Ravens.

    Did Cleveland really do enough to take down Baltimore?

    Dre Kirkpatrick was a good pick by the Bengals and his versatility could help against Torrey Smith. However, it was Ray Rice who beat them the second time. Did they do enough to stop him?

    Pittsburgh's pick of David DeCastro was great. However, Mike Adams might not even start this year and if he does, he will still need a lot of work on his technique. Did Pittsburgh make any moves to get more pressure on Flacco or cover Torrey?
    Good post. And I will add that Pierce could be the X factor here, as crazy as that may sound to some people. We are going to continue to run the ball, and everyone knows Rice is going to be our most dangerous threat, but I think Pierce has the skill set to feature a lot more than what McGahee or Williams did, even in his rookie season. The Bengals are going to try their hardest to stop Rice, but I think we are going to get creative and bring Pierce on a lot.




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    Re: How did we do?

    I think this is a case of "i liked x y z, x y z wasnt drafted by us, so i dont like this draft." I'll admit i had my heart set on some players, and really wasnt happy when they didnt get them, i was miffed at a few picks, as well, but i cant criticise them because i havent seen every single prospect to judge them all to form a big board, i havent seen all the tape, i dont know the full history on players, in fact i dont know the full ins and outs of what it takes to make it as an NFL player, so while im pissed we didnt get a few guys i loved, i cant say they done a bad job because they have more info available to make the picks and feel theyve made the best picks available to them at the time.




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    You have claimed Ozzie panicked. Support that with any sort of evidence and people might take you seriously.

    Courtney was projected to go mid first. Osemele was projected to go between 40 and 60. We got him at 60. Pierce was projected to go between 2 and 4, we got him in the back third of the third.

    Not seeing a lot of panic. I'm seeing 3 needs, three picks, all at or after where they were expected to go.
    Actually they were 3 great picks and I like, although at first I was scratching my head a bit, most of the other picks. The only problem I had with their picks was actually between picks 6 and 7. I thought they should have tried to trade up in round 6 by giving up their 7th round pick and drafted McNutt [who was picked around 4 to 5 spots before Skeeter (spell?)]. I do not know if a 7th rounder could have moved them up enough to pass the Eagles (and yes I know, how could they have known that the Eagles would take McNutt...this is just speculation) but I sure would have preferred him and then look for some defensive line help among undrafted players rather than using their 7th on a lineman.

    Anybody know how far trading a 7th rounder would have possibly moved them up in round 6th?




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    What I find interesting is the amount of teams that were obviously targeting the same players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RavingMad View Post
    I just want to clarify my opinion and statement that the Ravens panicked and reached for 2 picks. From multiple reports (I know its a bad term here) the Ravens had 3 main targets and they believed one would fall to them and that is the guard from Wisconsin, the guard from Stanford, and ILB from Alabama. I 'm not saying they didn't have a back up plan in case the guys were gone, what I am saying is they changed their philosophy or got creative as Decosta said. Fearing that more targets would be taken they panicked and reached for guys/talent that could have been acquired later in the draft. I'm not saying that the Ravens didn't have Pierce and Gradkowski high on their board by position, I'm saying these guys and/or their comparable skill set were available later in the draft.
    My point when it comes to small school players is you have to take into consideration their competition when you are scouting, analyzing and evaluating their skill set and talent. Seeing a player get push against lesser competition or seeing a RB run over less competition can cause them to shoot up your board.
    When it comes to reasons why other teams didn't draft or target certain players/positions, there are so many nuances to take into consideration, for example--needs, roster and strategy (if too general I can be more specific in another post).
    Here is some clarification for you on how many players the Ravens were looking at in the first round, straight from the horses mouth BEFORE the draft. But go ahead and believe your "reports".

    http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/...1st_Round.aspx

    We’ve identified nine players we believe could be there at 29. We’ve taken those nine players and did some extra study on each,” Newsome continued. “We had each of our scouts look extensively at these players. We then matched up all of these against the others and played the game of: ‘If this player and that player are there, who do we select and why. That’s a real good discussion and takes some time. We get the coaches involved. We get matchups of this offensive player versus this defensive player. We go through as many possibilities that we can think of.”

    What If The Nine Are Gone?

    When I asked Oz if all nine are gone, what do we do, he said: “Not going to happen. I’d be surprised if there aren’t four or five of these players still there at 29. We have a lot of information about the players and the leanings of the teams in front of us. We’ve done our homework,” the Wizard added.

    And, will the Ravens be tempted to move up to draft a player they covet or move down and gain an extra pick or more, because there will be a group of players with similar draft grades from the Ravens’ personnel experts? “We’ll listen. I’ve already heard from three teams ahead of us and two teams behind us who have some interest in moving. We’ll see,” Newsome said.

    What will Newsome focus on once the draft starts? “Trends. I’ve seen a lot of drafts that have runs at certain positions. It happened last year in the first round with the quarterbacks. Four went in a hurry, and that helped get Jimmy [Smith] to us at the 27th spot.

    “Will there be a run at a position this year? Maybe. It usually happens. When you pick late in the first round like we have done recently, runs help. It usually means a good player at another position will drop to us.”
    I love trying to grade a draft within 24 hours of it happening and bitching about things you are not and will never be privy to.

    The track record of Ozzie just in the last 3 years is almost unbelievable and easily the best in the league, I will go with him and the front office until he shows me something to believe otherwise.




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