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Re: Dumped from 24x7 Ravens forum on April 25th
Here's one more interesting point on Reagan. The final straw that broke
Russia's back was when he blew up their oil pipeline. Turns out they stole
our software to start the pipeline.
We heard about it from the French who were told by a Russian defector.
So Casey came up with the brilliant scheme to let them keep stealing the soft ware only it was rigged with explosives.
They had to be careful and did it so the Russians would only put them in remote areas. The explosives could have leveled a village or town. It was
the largest non nuclear explosion in history.
So they got em and put them in and the pipeline exploded. The beauty of it all was they couldn't complain about it. They would have been admitting
espionage.
When Gorbachev ended the cold war he said we have to improve our
computer technology. He referred to the pipeline.
They must have because a new one was recently built and is working and
Russia became the #1 oil producing country in the world. Had that happened in the 80s the cold war would still be going on
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/it-strat...line-39147917/
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Re: Dumped from 24x7 Ravens forum on April 25th
Worst?
All of the rest, haha. Pretty much every President between Lincoln and Teddy were all pretty bad. They just literally did nothing.
FDR completely manipulated the system and took advantage of the constitution and his power. The income tax can be traced back to his "New Deal" approach to the economy. Jimmy Carter was a wimp. Lyndon Johnson was owned by the mob and IMO was more behind JFK's assassination than we'll ever know because he was a war monger and wanted to go to war over in Vietnam. JFK didn't. Speaking of which, he was a fraud on many accounts.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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Re: Dumped from 24x7 Ravens forum on April 25th
There are multiple things that are still highly classified that happened between Russian and the US during the Cold War.
In fact we can attribute our quick satellite communication technology to the Cold War and US Efforts to develop photographic technology on satellites to do flyovers of Russia back in the early 60's. That's how they got the idea of going to the moon in the first place. Back in the late 50's we found out that you could actually bounce radio wave signaling off of the moon and redirect it to another location a great distance away.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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Re: Dumped from 24x7 Ravens forum on April 25th
That's right but we actually didn't get into the space race until the Ruskies sent Sputnik up.
Man, that blew everyone's minds. I was a kid and remember what the hell. How did they
do that.
You mentioned Teddy Roosevelt. What a prick. Talk about 3 terms, after completing two terms and getting his pal Taft in as Prez who rubber stamped all his programs including the worse legislation ever passed - income tax. But Teddy was all for it and actually wanted it passed while he was Pres. In fact, federal income taxes goes back to Lincoln who wanted them to pay for the civil war debt. Only the rich would pay taxes but it was the worse thing a prez ever signed.
Then Teddy got pissed at Taft and actually ran a third time vs him splitting the GOP which allowed Woodrow Wilson to win and establish the Federal Reserve Bank. The income tax was
needed for extra revenue of course. All those years of high tarriffs and isolationism the
GOPs imposed created the need for more revenue. When the US restricted imports,
then our exports were cut abroad. They made things more expensive here. That's why
we need free trade.
The GOPs were very progressive in 1913 just as they are now with their liberal establishent
but Teddy tried to get a tax bill before 1913. Of course the DEMs were more than willing to accommodate them and when Wilson was elected he established the IRS to collect the revenue.
Only people making over $3,000 pr yr paid taxes then so the rich were paying their fair
share-lol. My grand fathers did not make $3,000 pr yr in 1913. They paid no income taxes,
same with my dad, until WW2 came along. Nobody complained because we were fighting
to stay alive but people thought things would go back to before. It never did.
Congress passed the 16th Amendment and started a spending spree that has gone out of
control with this president.
OBAMA is the worse creating more debt than all the guys put together-lol.Last edited by AirFlacco; 04-26-2012 at 12:43 PM.
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Re: Dumped from 24x7 Ravens forum on April 25th
One last interesting point on Teddy. He started a new party and called it the Bull Moose Party.
It got its name after he was shot. He was giving one of his famous long winded speeches that lasted over an hour.
Then he was shot and someone said
he stood there after getting shot like a bull moose so the name stuck.
Here's an x-ray of the bullet hole in his chest-lol.
http://retina.smithsonianmag.com/pos...roosevelt-shot
BTW, after Taft lost the election, Harding appointed him to the supreme court and he became chief justice. It was the job he always wanted. He did Teddy a favor by running
as his VP and then Pres to rubber stamp his programs.
It was the greatest comeback after a presidential defeat in history.
Taft was so fat he actually got stuck in the White House bath tub. It took 5 guys to pull
him out and they got a bigger tub. Like his father before him and the Bush's, Taft was
a member of the Skulls and Bones at Harvard. His famous relative also got the famous
Taft Hartley act signed.
That's at least 3 known presidents and 1 SC justice and 1 congressman from the Skulls-lol.Last edited by AirFlacco; 04-26-2012 at 12:59 PM.
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Re: Dumped from 24x7 Ravens forum on April 25th
I just watched that movie the other week. Haha.
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Re: Dumped from 24x7 Ravens forum on April 25th
Yea, at the end the movie says there are at least 5 known presidents and several SC justices
and a lot of congressmen are from the Skulls. Cool movie to see if anyone missed it.
Speaking of the Skulls, they have real skulls in their trophy case. They are Geronomo's
remains-lol. Bush's father, Prescott Bush was in the Army during WW1 and was stationed
at Ft Sill, OK where Geronomo was buried. So pops got some pals and dug the remains
up and sent his skull and bones back to their club house at Yale.
There have been many articles interviewing people who swear they saw the bones in
their trophy case-lol.
Geronomo's grand son sued W Bush and Yale to get the bones back. They believe the
bones are needed to find the trail to the next life. If they're dug up, they will never reach
it so his descendants are blowing their mind over the prank.
Prescott Bush worked for Rockerfeller as an aid and Rockerfeller helped him buy his first
company - one that made drills and tools. Most of the oil wells out west use drills owned
by H Bush today. He was sent out there to watch over the business.
Barbara Bush's father was the banker who watched Rockerfeller's money. Her marriage
to H was arranged. When she got engaged she told her friends she would be first
lady.
They also owned Zepata. That company was used to launder the money by the CIA to
finance the Bay of Pigs operation. As a result of that H Bush later became its director.
The company was sold to Malcolm Glazer who owns the Bucs and tried to bring a team
here.
HEY SOLO - I have a lost of useless info stored up there don't I? I always in trivia pursuit-lol.Last edited by AirFlacco; 04-26-2012 at 02:05 PM.
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Re: Dumped from 24x7 Ravens forum on April 25th
I think the Geronimo bones thing is an urban legend. I don't know for sure and I guess we'll never know haha.
Part of my reasoning for liking Teddy was because he was the one who really put the Navy on the map and took it from a fledgling couple of ships and turned it into an actual war-capable fleet. Ever heard of The Great White Fleet? He had a bunch of battleships and destroyers painted white and then they sailed around the world porting in multiple countries so the rest of the world could see how advanced the American Navy was.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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04-26-2012, 04:02 PM #21
Re: Dumped from 24x7 Ravens forum on April 25th
No doubt both Lincoln & FDR exercised federal govt. authority beyond what any of either's predecessors could have imagined. But not for self-aggrandizement or evil ends - rather to address crises that were spinning out of control and could not be addressed by the then contemporary models of govt. To me, that's what makes both great. To rail against the New Deal in 2012 is easy. To rail against it in the 1930s was to assign multitudes of Americans to suffering that was not of their own causing and of which they could do little themselves to alleviate. At least something like the WPA or CCC asked people to work for their govt. aid (and most were damn happy to do so) and left us w/ useful infrastructural benefits. Don't bitch at FDR for the continuance of social welfare programs and regulatory behavior. There have been how many Congresses since his death that have elected not only to not dismantle what was set in motion, but have expanded it? Maybe that has something to do w/ an electorate that won't vote their own benefits away (though they complain loudly about all the other "chiselers" & their benefits). There was much to like about the New Deal's legacy in my book. Glass-Steagall Act anyone? If it hadn't been repealed, we might not have had to bail out those Too Big To Fail a-holes.
Lincoln a tyrant? Well, perhaps technicallly yes, when one looks at the suspension of habeas corpus, etc. But I can't help but view people who call Lincoln a tyrant as people who favor secession, which was in the long run a bad idea in and of itself, even before one gets to why the Confederacy wanted "states rights." As I asked my high school history students for 20 years, "States' rights to do what?"? Slavery was America's original sin. Secession was a desperate effort to perpetuate slavery. Lincoln led an effort to put down the rebellion/secession. That's a good thing. End of story. If you disagree w/ the gist of that, may the Lord have mercy on your soul.
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Re: Dumped from 24x7 Ravens forum on April 25th
Oh yea, Teddy was a tough son of a bitch. He built the Panama Canal after the French failed, put the military on the map with those ships and paraded them around the world. He said walk quietly but carry a big stick.
I'm just saying he was a prick for splitting the
GOP for a 3rd term when no one else has had one like NC posted above and for trying to
get federal income tax passed when he was Pres.
BTW, the $10M the govt paid Panama for the canal rights was given to JP Morgan's bank to pay. Rockefeller bought the bank when Morgan died. All in a family ya know.
No urban legend. The grand son sued to get the bones back. Over 20 decendents have
filed the suit and even OBY has been sued because the grave is on federal land and
Ramsey Clark of LBJs administration is their atty.
Urban legend has it that members of the club have to kiss the skull.
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Re: Dumped from 24x7 Ravens forum on April 25th
I think we all agree with you. Lincoln had a friend in Springfield a law partner named Joshua Speed who was also his lover. Speed broke off and returned to his home and said he was very concerned about Lincoln's mental state. Speed's family also owned a plantation in the south and they both visited it.
That's when Lincoln saw slavery up close for the first time and how cruel it was and he became an abolitionist but Lincoln was also a racist at the same time. he wanted to send
the slaves back to Africa and many did go back but he also made statements about them
being a lower class.
Black historians don't like him. I listened to a black preacher on the radio who said we
dont even celebrate the Emancipation Proclamation. That didn't do anything for anyone
down here. The war raged on 2 more years.
We celebrate our freedom the day union troops came down here and kicked the red necks
out-lol.Last edited by AirFlacco; 04-26-2012 at 05:03 PM.
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Re: Dumped from 24x7 Ravens forum on April 25th
I may be blind but I can't find the name of the film that you're talking about
Maybe it got edited out
What's the name of the film, sounds interesting
Bush's father, Prescott Bush was in the Army during WW1 and was stationed
at Ft Sill, OK where Geronomo was buried. So pops got some pals and dug the remains
up
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