View Poll Results: What WILL the Ravens do with pick 29?

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  • Trade pick 29 and their third round selection (#92) to move up 5-8 spots in the first round

    5 12.82%
  • Use pick 29 to select Dont’a Hightower, LB, Alabama (6’2” 265lbs)

    7 17.95%
  • Use pick 29 to select Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech (6'4", 215lbs)

    4 10.26%
  • Use pick 29 to select Peter Konz, OC, Wisconsin (6’5” 315lbs)

    4 10.26%
  • Use pick 29 to select some other player

    8 20.51%
  • Trade the 29th pick for two picks, in the top-third of the second and third rounds.

    11 28.21%
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    Re: Final poll (seriously). How WILL the Ravens use pick 29?



    I have Hightower falling to the Ravens on my board. And the Ravens WILL not pass up on him. Lets look at the teams who would use a pick on a player like Hightower.

    Buffalo- They'd choose Kuechly before Hightower.

    Kansas city- Same as above.

    Seattle- I think these are one of the teams who could reach for Hightower here since Kuechly will likely be gone by now, but ultimately I see Seattle taking other players before Hightower.

    Dallas- Now this is a team I can see them taking, but they would probably value Barron higher than Hightower.

    Jets- Possibly, but I think Rex has his eyes on a pure 3-4 OLB. Like Upshaw, Chandler Jones, Or Mercilus.

    Bengals- Marvin Lewis wants Upshaw badly, so I think they will take Upshaw over Hightower here. They will likely take a CB with their second pick.

    San Diego Chargers- I don't see the Chargers taking Hightower while they have significant needs on the Oline. I have them taking Cordy Glenn.

    Steelers- Here is the key. I have Poe here on my board, and I think the Steelers will try and find their version of Haloti Ngata and pick Poe over Hightower.

    Texans- This would be interesting, I can easily see them drafting Hightower, but I have them taking Stephen Hill instead on my board.

    Packers- I think Shea McClellin is a lock for them right now.

    So as you can see there is at least a decent chance that he lands to us.




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    Re: Final poll (seriously). How WILL the Ravens use pick 29?

    One thing that might change things is

    Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    Promises to be an active, unpredictable draft. One NFL GM went so far as to say today, "Picks 3-16 are all trying to trade back."

    how much this is true, if at all. If it really is everyone, then the draft pick compensation trade table may go out of the window (if they're that desperate). Might able to move up and get a great deal. Unlikely, but it seems that hardly anyone wants to use their first round pick this year.




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    Re: Final poll (seriously). How WILL the Ravens use pick 29?

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I have Hightower falling to the Ravens on my board. And the Ravens WILL not pass up on him. Lets look at the teams who would use a pick on a player like Hightower.

    Buffalo- They'd choose Kuechly before Hightower.

    Kansas city- Same as above.

    Seattle- I think these are one of the teams who could reach for Hightower here since Kuechly will likely be gone by now, but ultimately I see Seattle taking other players before Hightower.

    Dallas- Now this is a team I can see them taking, but they would probably value Barron higher than Hightower.

    Jets- Possibly, but I think Rex has his eyes on a pure 3-4 OLB. Like Upshaw, Chandler Jones, Or Mercilus.

    Bengals- Marvin Lewis wants Upshaw badly, so I think they will take Upshaw over Hightower here. They will likely take a CB with their second pick.

    San Diego Chargers- I don't see the Chargers taking Hightower while they have significant needs on the Oline. I have them taking Cordy Glenn.

    Steelers- Here is the key. I have Poe here on my board, and I think the Steelers will try and find their version of Haloti Ngata and pick Poe over Hightower.

    Texans- This would be interesting, I can easily see them drafting Hightower, but I have them taking Stephen Hill instead on my board.

    Packers- I think Shea McClellin is a lock for them right now.

    So as you can see there is at least a decent chance that he lands to us.

    I guess it just depends on if you are an optimist or a pessimist. While I agree with all of your assessments of players more likely to be taken by such-and-such a team before they take Hightower, we also have to assume that such-and-such a player is still there for them however.

    What if Upshaw goes before 16, or Kuechly before 12, or Glenn before 18, or Barron before 15, or Hill before 26? It would take just one of those guys going earlier than we're guessing they will go to suddenly leaveHightower as the best option for those teams.

    I look at the board and think, hell, it's hard to name any team 16-28 where Hightower would not be a strong consideration if certain players come off the board ahead of him.




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    Re: Final poll (seriously). How WILL the Ravens use pick 29?

    Konz would follow our MO, unless we traded out. Made another post in another thread about the history of our 1st rounders, and the overwhelming majority of the time we've picked up one of the top 2 ranked at their position in the first. That would be Konz, ranked #1 at C, which is also a need. Is he worth it is a big argument, but just going by numbers and odds thats where I'd put my money.




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    Re: Final poll (seriously). How WILL the Ravens use pick 29?

    They Pick Mike Adams at #29. I would be ok with them going after Chandler Jones as well.




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    Re: Final poll (seriously). How WILL the Ravens use pick 29?

    Quote Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06 View Post
    Konz would follow our MO, unless we traded out. Made another post in another thread about the history of our 1st rounders, and the overwhelming majority of the time we've picked up one of the top 2 ranked at their position in the first. That would be Konz, ranked #1 at C, which is also a need. Is he worth it is a big argument, but just going by numbers and odds thats where I'd put my money.
    Yeah, I voted Hill but already think I'm wrong. I guess I'm rooting to trade back but skeptical they can do it. Well, I am rooting for Hightower to fall, but even more skeptical about that happening.

    The most likely scenario is that they stay and make a pick and by the time Ozzie and Eric are done raving about the guy they've convinced me how lucky we are to have grabbed him.




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    Re: Final poll (seriously). How WILL the Ravens use pick 29?

    Dont'a......Hightower.
    "When questioned, the Elders explained that they were in search of magical powers. However, they're actually searching for the whereabouts of a certain ring. This ring is a legendary treasure that long ago was known to exist"




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    Re: Final poll (seriously). How WILL the Ravens use pick 29?

    I voted pick some other play at 29 just from a probability standpoint.




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    Another player. Somehow I have this faith that Ozzie will outsmart the prognosticators to find another gem. That could be by trading up, back or staying put. They are pretty tight lipped over there.




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    Re: Final poll (seriously). How WILL the Ravens use pick 29?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    Yeah, I voted Hill but already think I'm wrong. I guess I'm rooting to trade back but skeptical they can do it. Well, I am rooting for Hightower to fall, but even more skeptical about that happening.

    The most likely scenario is that they stay and make a pick and by the time Ozzie and Eric are done raving about the guy they've convinced me how lucky we are to have grabbed him.
    From another thread, but just to show our numbers:
    From most recent all the way back. So 4 DB's, 2 QB's, couple WR's, 3 OL, 1 DL, and a handfull of LB's. And a partridge in a pear tree. Ozzie seems to take BPA regardless and even looking at it ONLY Joe Flacco didn't have a 1st round grade, he was a 2nd round grade.

    And the funny thing is, even with the lower picks in the 20's we still picked up the #1 or 2 rated at their position. Flacco 4th, Boller who was 3th, Clayton 5th, and J.Smith 3rd and Oher 4th were the only differences.

    So it's really going to depend on who slides, but 70% of our 1st's were the top 2, he other 30% were above 2 3s, a 4 and a 5(Hopefully Oz learned rom this mistake on reaching for a WR, hence why I don't see Hill or even Jeffrey having ANY shot at being our first.




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    Re: Final poll (seriously). How WILL the Ravens use pick 29?

    Quote Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06 View Post
    And the funny thing is, even with the lower picks in the 20's we still picked up the #1 or 2 rated at their position. Flacco 4th, Boller who was 3th, Clayton 5th, and J.Smith 3rd and Oher 4th were the only differences.

    So it's really going to depend on who slides, but 70% of our 1st's were the top 2, he other 30% were above 2 3s, a 4 and a 5(Hopefully Oz learned rom this mistake on reaching for a WR, hence why I don't see Hill or even Jeffrey having ANY shot at being our first.
    You do raise a worthwhile point to consider. Made me want look a little harder at the player the Ravens took when they had a later pick in the first round over the last decade. I have indicated that player’s position and his positional ranking out of that draft. I also subjectively graded that player’s eventual value.

    2001: pick 31, Todd Heap, TE (1st TE) A-
    2002: pick 24, Ed Reed, S (2nd) A
    2003: pick 19, Kyle Boller, QB (3rd) D
    2005: pick 22, Mark Clayton, WR (5th) C
    2006: pick 29, Ben Grubbs, G (1st) B
    2008: pick 18, Joe Flacco, QB, (2nd) B+
    2009: pick 23, Michael Oher, OT, (4th) C+
    2011: pick 27, Jimmy Smith, CB (3rd) INC

    There is certainly enough surface evidence to suggest that it is better to take the top one or two players at his position than settling for the third, fourth or even fifth player at his position with a late first-round pick.

    However, this analysis may be a bit deceiving. If you look at the draft class as a whole from the years when they took a “second-rate” positional player in the first round, you have to wonder if they just happened to have had the bad luck of running into some drafts that lacked talent at certain positions of need.

    Look at the Mark Clayton draft. The four receivers taken ahead of him were Braylon Edwards, Troy Williamson, Mike Williams, and Matt Jones. Even had the Ravens had a chance to pick the second best receiver that year, I don’t think it would have helped them any.

    Look at the Michael Oher draft. Jason Smith, Andre Smith, and Eugene Monroe were the tackles ahead of him. Bad year to be drafting a tackle, I’d say.

    Boller was third off the board in the year that Carson Palmer and Byron Leftwich were the top two. I’m not sure Leftwich had much of a better career than Kyle. So there are some years there where having a shot at the #1 or #2 player at his position would not have meant much.

    Will this be that sort of year for centers (Konz)? Inside Linebackers (Kuechly and Hightower?) Will taking the best center or second best ILB turn out to be smarter than the third or fourth best WR? I don’t know if there is evidence to suggest that this is a sure thing.

    I could imagine that this draft proves to be pretty deep at guard and wide receiver and the third best player at his position could still turn out to be pretty damn good.

    There have been drafts like that before. The Boller draft would have been a good year to be drafting corners. Terrance Newman, Marcus Trufant, Nnamdi Asomugha, Charles Tilman, and Rashean Mathis were among the first seven corners off the board in the first 40 picks, and all have been to the ProBowl. Could this be that kind of year for wide receivers?

    Roethlisberger was the third QB taken in 2005 when Manning and Rivers were taken ahead of him.

    In 2007 the safety class included LaRon Landry, Michael Griffin, Reggie Nelson, Brandon Merriweather, and Eric Weddle in the top 40 picks. Calvin Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, Sidney Rice were among the first seven WR’s off the board in rounds one and two that year. So there were misses in that WR class, but also some hits further down the draft order for WRs.

    So what I see is that there are definitely years where there is a wealth, or dearth, of talent at certain positions. The idea of taking the best player at his position may or may not be a necessity.

    I think you have to ask if a player like Stephen Hill, Eric Zeitler, or Chandler Jones would be the third or fourth best player at his position not only in this draft, but the last five drafts? If you were good enough to see the really big picture accurately, then I wouldn’t hesitate to pull the trigger.

    If you don't think this is a deep draft for a position like WR, then better to go ahead and make the "safe" pick by taking the best center in the draft in Konz, even if he merely turns out to be a "B" contributor like Ben Grubbs.




  12. #27

    Re: Final poll (seriously). How WILL the Ravens use pick 29?

    Got a feeling the grab Jeffreys. Somehow or someway, either trading back or using the 29th pick.




  13. #28

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    I picked Hightower, because I think he would be their highest rated player (assuming he is still there at 29). I just don't see a lot of teams trading up into the 29th pick. Maybe if someone they really liked dropped close enough I could see them trading up. But I don't know who that would be, Decastro maybe?




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