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    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    Based on how weak this draft is on first round talent yes. But, I'd make it a 1st for s 1st next year and a 3rd and 4th this year, doubt anyone would bite on that though.
    I'm not sure what the points system is for the Ravens pick, but I think it's typical to get that year's second and next year's first for a first rounder. However, at the very bottom of the round, and in a weak class, I kind of amended it to a third this year, because as much as I'd want to do this, that's the least I'd do it for I think.




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    We're going to find a place for Jah Reid I think. Im not sure where but at bear minimum I think he will be our top versatile back up. Especially if he can play guard.

    I'm inclined to think that Oher is a RT as well and as such I think we will look to draft a LT. If Reid can play at LT I think thats just added surprise. I thought Gaither was going to be groomed for it, I have less faith in Reid but maybe he can do it.




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    Jarred Gaither is actually an example TALENT WISE alone that you can find legit left tackles in later rounds. I would say Gaither is certainly at least a top 5 left tackle in the league, it's just a shame he's a lazy bum, I have a feeling that the Chargers are going to start finding that out.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Jarred Gaither is actually an example TALENT WISE alone that you can find legit left tackles in later rounds. I would say Gaither is certainly at least a top 5 left tackle in the league, it's just a shame he's a lazy bum, I have a feeling that the Chargers are going to start finding that out.
    Yes and no. The only reason Gaither was available when he was was because he was a known dirtball. Reid doesn't have any of that kind of baggage.

    Basically, unless a guy is a known degenerate like Gaither, you're not getting that kind of talent at LT outside of the first half of the first round.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BmoreLove View Post
    We're going to find a place for Jah Reid I think. Im not sure where but at bear minimum I think he will be our top versatile back up. Especially if he can play guard.

    I'm inclined to think that Oher is a RT as well and as such I think we will look to draft a LT. If Reid can play at LT I think thats just added surprise. I thought Gaither was going to be groomed for it, I have less faith in Reid but maybe he can do it.
    I think we'll def find a place for Reid, if by place, you mean a spot on the 53 as a swing backup T/G. He's at least that.

    However, I don't think he can play LT in this league w his athleticism. And I don't think he can play G in this league at his height. I think he is what he is: A RT. But we already have Oher there. Now maybe we let Oher walk after this year (I believe this is his walk year, yes?) and insert Reid.

    But I think it's pretty clear that Reid is less of a T than Oher. I'll put it this way, if Reid could have played RT like Oher did his rookie year last year, then McKinnie probably wouldn't be here right now. They brought in McKinnie more because Reid wasn't ready than Oher can't handle the left side, and that's saying something, because I don't think Oher is a good fit on the left side. Now, maybe Reid develops better than Oher, that isn't out of the question, but it isn't something I'd bank on.

    I think LT is going to have to come out of the draft, obviously. And that's part of where a trade like the one I'm proposing can help. If we have somebody else's 1st rounder next year, it could be middle of the pack, instead of 25 and higher like ours always are. We can't get a top flight LT prospect at 29 but we could at 14. And with the possibility of packing the two #1s together, we could really move up and get a top prospect.




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    Quote Originally Posted by pickles View Post
    The Steelers GM said they have 10ish players w a 1st round grade. DeCosta said something similar recently. Not all drafts are created equally. They could very well be there at 29 and HAVE to take somebody that they don't grade out as a first rounder, that's more likely imo than them being able to find a willing partner for my proposed trade.
    Bill Polian said it was 10 to 12. Usually there are 20 to 22. Everyone is going to want to trade down and no one is going to be able to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BmoreLove View Post
    We're going to find a place for Jah Reid I think. Im not sure where but at bear minimum I think he will be our top versatile back up. Especially if he can play guard.

    I'm inclined to think that Oher is a RT as well and as such I think we will look to draft a LT. If Reid can play at LT I think thats just added surprise. I thought Gaither was going to be groomed for it, I have less faith in Reid but maybe he can do it.
    We heard the same thing about Cousins. I have no idea what Reid can or can't do because we haven't seen him but they don't always work out. Just because they drafted him doesn't mean Reid will ever play much or be any good.
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    We can all sit here and say that there will not be a team that is foolish enough to trade up, but you have to remember that not everybody grades the players the same way. Add to that the intensity of the draft and there can always be somebody with their eye on a player that suddenly gets paranoid that somebody else is ready to move and grab him, so they leap. There also can be earlier moves that change the board and throw teams off on how fast positions are available.

    I am confident that Ozzie will make the best move at the time. He could go up, go down or stay put and it would not be a surprise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pickles View Post
    So my question is this: Could the Ravens trade the 1st rounder this year, for a third this year, and a first next year?
    I don't think that is enough value. Every draft is different, but I heard once (and I cannot find a link) that when trading future picks, they are worth a round higher than the current year's pick. In other words, this year's 2nd is worth next year's 1st. I don't know why that would be other than a team has targeted a specific player now, so there is more value in the current pick than in the future one, especially if that team thinks they will improve (and therefore have a pick later in the round).

    So, the Ravens wouldn't trade this year's first for just a first and a third next year when they could theoretically trade this year's second for someones's first next year. Does that make sense, because i'm really rambling here?!?!?




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I honestly think Jah Reid's future is at left tackle not guard anyway, call me crazy but he will be McKinnies successor.
    I don't think you're crazy at all. I've had high hopes for Reid ever since we signed him.

    Of course maybe that just means I am crazy.




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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    We heard the same thing about Cousins. I have no idea what Reid can or can't do because we haven't seen him but they don't always work out. Just because they drafted him doesn't mean Reid will ever play much or be any good.
    Valid points about how we don't know much about Reid.

    But regarding Cousins, you're right that the Ravens kept saying how he would develop, etc. But that guy never passed this fan's eye test. I never saw Cousins do anything that gave me confidence. He started fights in camp, looked consistently like crap in every game situation I saw, including the preseason when playing against scrubs. This continued every year he was on the team. He's a guy who could not have looked any worse, so when the Ravens talked him up, it was obviously a big pile of BS.

    Reid is different. For starters he looks the part of an OT. The dude is huge with the "long" build you want to see in an OT. And in his (few) outings in the preseason he looked decent in his rookie year.

    Does that mean he'll turn into a starter? No. He might not. But I would have bet my house (and won!) that Cousins would never amount to anything. Reid is a guy who at least has potential.




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    Reid at least knows how to use his hands and feet. Cousins had trouble moving during a play.




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    Truth: STL needs receivers.
    Truth: STL is not in the AFC and likely won't ever see us in the SB.
    Truth: STL probably won't play us during the regular season until 2015.
    Truth: The value chart goes out the window when the clock is ticking.


    Probable: STL takes Blackmon at #6...but they'd also love to have Hill.
    Probable: They believe that divisional foe SF will take Hill at #30.


    Possible?: They happily trade both #33 (upper 2nd rd) and #65 (top of the 3rd rd) to us (for #29) to nab Hill from SF.

    This is gives us #33 (Zeitler), #60 (R. Lewis), #65 (B. Brooks) and #91 (Childs).


    While I can't see Fisher encouraging his GM to make this deal, the idea of it makes me smile.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    Truth: STL needs receivers.
    Truth: STL is not in the AFC and likely won't ever see us in the SB.
    Truth: STL probably won't play us during the regular season until 2015.
    Truth: The value chart goes out the window when the clock is ticking.


    Probable: STL takes Blackmon at #6...but they'd also love to have Hill.
    Probable: They believe that divisional foe SF will take Hill at #30.


    Possible?: They happily trade both #33 (upper 2nd rd) and #65 (top of the 3rd rd) to us (for #29) to nab Hill from SF.

    This is gives us #33 (Zeitler), #60 (R. Lewis), #65 (B. Brooks) and #91 (Childs).


    While I can't see Fisher encouraging his GM to make this deal, the idea of it makes me smile.
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    If this happened and we selected those players, I wouldn't just be smiling, I'd be laughing!




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    The solution to this problem is simple, figure out who Atlanta is in love with and give them a call.
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