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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    We really don't have that many needs at all IMO. We lost a lot more players last season than we did this year. What we really need is depth from this draft, it's not overally talented, the best part of it is from the 2nd round to the 4th round, you could probably find quite a few gems there.

    But worst come to worst, we could still survive with Jah Reid at guard (wouldn't hurt to draft a guard to compete with him). As good as JJ was, our defense isn't going to magically decline because we lost two ageing run defenders, we have replaced them with pass rushers in McPhee and Kruger, so maybe our pass rush will be more effective if anything. We made it to the AFC Championship last season with pretty much only relying on two WR sets and two tight ends in the passing game, I'm sure it wouldn't hurt bringing in a 3rd guy in the draft. Other than that we need safety depth and Dline depth.

    But I wouldn't consider any of that a major problem, I wouldn't say we are a team with MAJOR needs at all.
    I don't think we have to DRAFT anybody to start. That's what I consider a glaring, major need and we don't have that problem, like most of the rest of the league. It would be nice to get a G who could step in and play, or at least compete w Reid, but can that not be done in the 2nd?




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    Quote Originally Posted by dandrews View Post
    No, but there is no chance that every player the Ravens have rated as a first round talent will be off the board at 29. It's just not practical. Ozzie always has guys that you dont expect to be graded high as a first round talent.
    The Steelers GM said they have 10ish players w a 1st round grade. DeCosta said something similar recently. Not all drafts are created equally. They could very well be there at 29 and HAVE to take somebody that they don't grade out as a first rounder, that's more likely imo than them being able to find a willing partner for my proposed trade.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    anything is possible but they're so far down in the pick selection it's unlikely that a team would overpay
    I feel this is most likely correct. Still, it could happen and I'd be all over it if somebody offered it. GMs and HCs get desperate when their jobs are on the line.




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    Re: Could and Would

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    We really don't have that many needs at all IMO. We lost a lot more players last season than we did this year. What we really need is depth from this draft, it's not overally talented, the best part of it is from the 2nd round to the 4th round, you could probably find quite a few gems there.

    But worst come to worst, we could still survive with Jah Reid at guard (wouldn't hurt to draft a guard to compete with him). As good as JJ was, our defense isn't going to magically decline because we lost two ageing run defenders, we have replaced them with pass rushers in McPhee and Kruger, so maybe our pass rush will be more effective if anything. We made it to the AFC Championship last season with pretty much only relying on two WR sets and two tight ends in the passing game, I'm sure it wouldn't hurt bringing in a 3rd guy in the draft. Other than that we need safety depth and Dline depth.

    But I wouldn't consider any of that a major problem, I wouldn't say we are a team with MAJOR needs at all.
    I agree, but I consider depth to be a major need. It's almost impossible to win a Super Bowl without depth. Currently, we have a HUGE need for depth at linebacker and secondary. We still need depth for Dline and Oline, along with Wide receiver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pickles View Post
    The Steelers GM said they have 10ish players w a 1st round grade. DeCosta said something similar recently. Not all drafts are created equally. They could very well be there at 29 and HAVE to take somebody that they don't grade out as a first rounder, that's more likely imo than them being able to find a willing partner for my proposed trade.
    I don't doubt you at all, but do you have link for what DeCosta said? I didn't hear that and I'd be curious to read it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    Plus, it's like they forgot that they don't have a defense.
    Did you just quote yourself Ex LOL.




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    Quote Originally Posted by pickles View Post
    I don't think we have to DRAFT anybody to start. That's what I consider a glaring, major need and we don't have that problem, like most of the rest of the league. It would be nice to get a G who could step in and play, or at least compete w Reid, but can that not be done in the 2nd?
    Yeah Brandon Brooks in the second would be perfect.

    I honestly think Jah Reid's future is at left tackle not guard anyway, call me crazy but he will be McKinnies successor.




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    Quote Originally Posted by dandrews View Post
    I don't doubt you at all, but do you have link for what DeCosta said? I didn't hear that and I'd be curious to read it.
    I do not. I actually read it on the Steelers board when they were discussing what their GM said. I'll see if I can't find it. Maybe you should doubt me. Haha. It's possible I read something incorrect and have now passed it on.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Yeah Brandon Brooks in the second would be perfect.

    I honestly think Jah Reid's future is at left tackle not guard anyway, call me crazy but he will be McKinnies successor.
    You're crazy. Haha. I don't think he's got a LT future. I think he's an inferior tackle to Oher, and I don't want to see Oher on the left side either.




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    Quote Originally Posted by pickles View Post
    You're crazy. Haha. I don't think he's got a LT future. I think he's an inferior tackle to Oher, and I don't want to see Oher on the left side either.
    I honestly never believed Oher would become a LT in the NFL, you rarely get anyone under 6'5 in the NFL who make it as a LT. Reid has the prototype size and athleticism to become a LT in the NFL IMO. We don't know for sure if he's inferior to Oher or not, but I'm sure they will at least give him a few snaps at LT in the pre season games to see how he does out there.




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    Quote Originally Posted by dandrews View Post
    I don't doubt you at all, but do you have link for what DeCosta said? I didn't hear that and I'd be curious to read it.
    I did a quick google search and couldn't find anything. In fact one of the things I found supports your position pretty strongly.

    “I think we have players in every round that we like,” he said. “One of the things we try to do is ascertain the value, league-wise, and then look at our value, how we value players. And usually, there’s a match there for us.”




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I honestly never believed Oher would become a LT in the NFL, you rarely get anyone under 6'5 in the NFL who make it as a LT. Reid has the prototype size and athleticism to become a LT in the NFL IMO. We don't know for sure if he's inferior to Oher or not, but I'm sure they will at least give him a few snaps at LT in the pre season games to see how he does out there.
    Regarding Oher, I always felt like since the Ravens drafted him to be a RT, that was going to be his best position. They wouldn't have drafted a guy that can play LT and stuck him on the right. They know more than me so I deferred to that opinion.

    Regarding Reid, I hope he can turn into a top notch LT. I just don't think it will happen. For two reasons, 1) Not alot of LTs get taken that late in the draft. 2) The Ravens drafted him as a RT as well w the idea that Oher would be on the left out of neccesity.
    And everything I've read about the guy, suggests RT and not LT. But what do I know?




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    Based on how weak this draft is on first round talent yes. But, I'd make it a 1st for s 1st next year and a 3rd and 4th this year, doubt anyone would bite on that though.




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    Quote Originally Posted by pickles View Post
    Obviously, a J Lewis situation would be ideal. However, the pick would almost assuredly be lower than what we're giving up.

    But I share your skepticism. I don't see a team desperate enough to get back into the top of the first round this year. But teams do dumb stuff so maybe it will present itself.
    I could see the Colts trying to get Fleener to go along with Luck. All depends how things shake out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by goodandfast View Post
    I could see the Colts trying to get Fleener to go along with Luck. All depends how things shake out.


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    Yeah, but you got to figure the Colts wouldn't be idiotic enough to give up their first next year. That's going to be an awfully high pick.

    It would have to be a team like the Falcons were last year; a team that's pretty sure it's going to the playoffs and thinks it's maybe one player away from making some serious noise. A team like Houston or the Bengals (though I'd doubt they'd trade w/i the division); the Eagles perhaps.




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