Could and Would

**pickles** · 04-23-2012, 06:51 PM

I'm not really in love with any of the names being attached to us at the end of the first round. So if I had my druthers, I'd like to see the Ravens trade out of the first, and I'd love to get a first round pick next year, in a better draft (from admittedly premature reports). Next year w 2 firsts, and quite a few comp picks, we could be in a real good position to stock up very quickly.

So my question is this: Could the Ravens trade the 1st rounder this year, for a third this year, and a first next year?

And would you do that if you were Ozzie?

I whole-heartedly would. Thoughts?

**dandrews** · 04-23-2012, 06:54 PM

I'd consider it for a 1st and 2nd, but a 3rd isnt enough. We are a team with too many needs just to skip out on a first round pick this year.

**The Excellector** · 04-23-2012, 06:58 PM

I don't, initially, see where they would be able to make that trade. If Hightower, Upshaw, Wright and Hill are all gone by the time the Ravens pick, with the outside chance that David DeCastro slides into the twenties, I would like to make a trade of that nature, because there is value in the third. You could see a situation where you get a Brandon Brooks in the second round, along with a Chris Givens and Nate Potter in the third.

For me, it would also depend on who they are trading with. It would be nice if they could be in a situation, similar to what they were in with Jamal Lewis.

**pickles** · 04-23-2012, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

I don't, initially, see where they would be able to make that trade. If Hightower, Upshaw, Wright and Hill are all gone by the time the Ravens pick, with the outside chance that David DeCastro slides into the twenties, I would like to make a trade of that nature, because there is value in the third. You could see a situation where you get a Brandon Brooks in the second round, along with a Chris Givens and Nate Potter in the third.

For me, it would also depend on who they are trading with. It would be nice if they could be in a situation, similar to what they were in with Jamal Lewis.

Obviously, a J Lewis situation would be ideal. However, the pick would almost assuredly be lower than what we're giving up.

But I share your skepticism. I don't see a team desperate enough to get back into the top of the first round this year. But teams do dumb stuff so maybe it will present itself.

**The Excellector** · 04-23-2012, 07:03 PM

Could Atlanta be the sucker again?

**pickles** · 04-23-2012, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

Could Atlanta be the sucker again?

You would think Atlanta would not be so quick to do that again after last year.

**pickles** · 04-23-2012, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by dandrews

I'd consider it for a 1st and 2nd, but a 3rd isnt enough. We are a team with too many needs just to skip out on a first round pick this year.

Yeah, but imo, if we're not getting a first round talent, then are we really missing out on anything?

**Ravenswintitle** · 04-23-2012, 07:03 PM

I don't see that scenario; contracts have to be spread out and there is good talent available every year. They may trade back but I don't see them trading out

**pickles** · 04-23-2012, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

I don't see that scenario; contracts have to be spread out and there is good talent available every year. They may trade back but I don't see them trading out

I don't think the contractal stuff is as relevant w the new CBA.

And we'd really just be giving up a pick in the 30s (theroretically, trading out vs. trading back) and probably be picking higher in the 3rd. I don't see us trading the first for a 2nd and 3rd this year. So it's 2012: 1 2nd, 2 3rds, and a 4th (1st in 2013) vs. 2012: 2 2nds, a 3rd, and 2 4ths. That's only one pick. Do we really have THAT many holes.

edit: incorrectaly calculated initially

**dandrews** · 04-23-2012, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by pickles

Yeah, but imo, if we're not getting a first round talent, then are we really missing out on anything?

No, but there is no chance that every player the Ravens have rated as a first round talent will be off the board at 29. It's just not practical. Ozzie always has guys that you dont expect to be graded high as a first round talent.

**pickles** · 04-23-2012, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by dandrews

No, but there is no chance that every player the Ravens have rated as a first round talent will be off the board at 29. It's just not practical. Ozzie always has guys that you dont expect to be graded high as a first round talent.

The Steelers GM said they have 10ish players w a 1st round grade. DeCosta said something similar recently. Not all drafts are created equally. They could very well be there at 29 and HAVE to take somebody that they don't grade out as a first rounder, that's more likely imo than them being able to find a willing partner for my proposed trade.

**dandrews** · 04-23-2012, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by pickles

The Steelers GM said they have 10ish players w a 1st round grade. DeCosta said something similar recently. Not all drafts are created equally. They could very well be there at 29 and HAVE to take somebody that they don't grade out as a first rounder, that's more likely imo than them being able to find a willing partner for my proposed trade.

I don't doubt you at all, but do you have link for what DeCosta said? I didn't hear that and I'd be curious to read it.