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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    2nd is still better than a 3rd and i could see a team throwing in a 4th or 5th in that case as well. I still dont think it happens because the guy just isnt worth the money he wants and a contract would have to be in place first before the trade.
    I'd rather have the player for a year and get a 3rd than lose him and get a 2nd. Especially in a mediocre draft. It's very possible that a 2013 3rd pick will be a better quality prospect than a 2012 2nd round pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    I'd rather have the player for a year and get a 3rd than lose him and get a 2nd. Especially in a mediocre draft. It's very possible that a 2013 3rd pick will be a better quality prospect than a 2012 2nd round pick.
    good point. im just not sure hes worth the headaches if he pulls a desean jackson.

    OT, how the hell did that guy get paid by the eagles after all that BS? horrible move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    good point. im just not sure hes worth the headaches if he pulls a desean jackson.

    OT, how the hell did that guy get paid by the eagles after all that BS? horrible move.
    The Eagles didn't have the depth at receiver that the Steelers have. I'm not sure they had much choice but to give Jackson what he wanted.




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    It could get interesting if Wallace decides to hold out into training camp. I am assuming that the trade would be for a 2nd and a 5th or maybe a 2nd a 3rd next year. I don't see anyway that the Steelers hold onto him past this year. Not sure on how the cap numbers work with franchising a player for a 2nd year but I imagine the number is going to be around 9m. The Steelers pushed their cap issues out from this year to later years. In doing so they are not going to have too many players they can restructure again next year. Brown is going to get a first round tender which will probably be close to 3m like Webb this year. Probably a significant raise over this year as brown was a 6th rounder.




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    Quote Originally Posted by srobert96 View Post
    It could get interesting if Wallace decides to hold out into training camp. I am assuming that the trade would be for a 2nd and a 5th or maybe a 2nd a 3rd next year. I don't see anyway that the Steelers hold onto him past this year. Not sure on how the cap numbers work with franchising a player for a 2nd year but I imagine the number is going to be around 9m. The Steelers pushed their cap issues out from this year to later years. In doing so they are not going to have too many players they can restructure again next year. Brown is going to get a first round tender which will probably be close to 3m like Webb this year. Probably a significant raise over this year as brown was a 6th rounder.
    They didn't Franchise Wallace this year so that higher tag number for 2 years in a row won't be an issue.
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    When they have to tag him next year, that is when this will get interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    When they have to tag him next year, that is when this will get interesting.
    I don't think they will tag him. The Steelers have let other big receivers walk in the past and they've done fine. Plax left, everyone forecast doom and nothing really changed. Holmes left, same deal - everything was fine. They can live without Wallace.

    I think they'll pay Brown and let Wallace walk next year (and take their 3rd round comp pick).

    Wallace really can't win here. If he holds out or sulks, his stats take a hit and when he hits UFA next year he'll cost himself millions. Meanwhile the Steelers already have 3 solid WRs - they're better with Wallace but they're not crippled without him.

    Since the Steelers would get a 3rd round pick when he walks as a UFA they're not going to deal him now for anything less than a 1st. It makes no sense.

    If Wallace wants to go to another team he's going to have to convince that team to pony up the 1st round pick. And if they don't he'll have to sign his tender and have a great year to get his big deal next year.

    Ultimately this is just a bunch of noise coming from his agent which will likely result in absolutely nothing.




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    Quote Originally Posted by madmikey View Post
    I don't think they will tag him. The Steelers have let other big receivers walk in the past and they've done fine. Plax left, everyone forecast doom and nothing really changed. Holmes left, same deal - everything was fine. They can live without Wallace.

    I think they'll pay Brown and let Wallace walk next year (and take their 3rd round comp pick).

    Wallace really can't win here. If he holds out or sulks, his stats take a hit and when he hits UFA next year he'll cost himself millions. Meanwhile the Steelers already have 3 solid WRs - they're better with Wallace but they're not crippled without him.

    Since the Steelers would get a 3rd round pick when he walks as a UFA they're not going to deal him now for anything less than a 1st. It makes no sense.

    If Wallace wants to go to another team he's going to have to convince that team to pony up the 1st round pick. And if they don't he'll have to sign his tender and have a great year to get his big deal next year.

    Ultimately this is just a bunch of noise coming from his agent which will likely result in absolutely nothing.
    if had a low draft pcik in the first round and in needed a WR i would take wallace. why take the chance wiht an unproven commodity when you can get a sure thing.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Section 502 Raven View Post
    if had a low draft pcik in the first round and in needed a WR i would take wallace. why take the chance wiht an unproven commodity when you can get a sure thing.
    I've been saying for a while now that the Bengals need to make a play for Wallace. They need a bookend to start next to AJ Green, and Wallace is a great complement. He would make that offense very explosive and the Bengals have the cap room to do it.

    Is Wallace worth the Bengals' 2nd first round pick? Absolutely! They're already targeting a skill position player with that pick anyway, so why not? They're also seriously hurting a division rival in the process. It's just a smart move for them, but maybe they know something I don't.




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    He will be playing for the Steelers.

    And no way they'd let him go to Cincy. They'd match the offer without hesitation.
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    If the Steelers won't tag him, there isn't really a problem, except for having to play this year and keeping his fingers crossed that he does not get hurt. That, however, was going to happen anyway, because Pittsburgh was not going to pay him this year.

    As for what money he'll get in FA, trust me, he'll get paid. A slip in his stats won't hurt him. Sometimes we forget how many desperate teams there are out there, until we see player X given Y amount of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    He will be playing for the Steelers.

    And no way they'd let him go to Cincy. They'd match the offer without hesitation.
    How would they match any offer? They have only 5 million in cap space, the Bengals still have tons, and are going to be in good position to make a bunch of splashes since next year you have to spend at least 90 % of your cap. The Steelers will be in a mess, with all the re structuring they've done, and most likely wont be able to keep many of their FA's.




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    By restructuring someone.

    Pretty obvious since that's been their way the past few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    He will be playing for the Steelers.

    And no way they'd let him go to Cincy. They'd match the offer without hesitation.
    That literally can't happen. If Cincy offers him a contract with a huge first-year cap hit, the Steelers can't match it unless they cut several more veterans. They're restructured every contract they possibly can.

    Pittsburgh really doesn't have any options at this point. Anybody who offers Wallace a contract with a first-year cap hit above 5m is going to get him as long as he signs on the line. Nothing the Steelers can do about it.

    I don't really see the Steelers having any desire to TRADE Wallace, though. That I don't think will happen, since there's no incentive for the Steelers and very little incentive for another team to do it. Grabbing him as an RFA only makes sense for a team that feels like Wallace is worth a first rounder and a big contract. I think Cincy fits because 1) they have a huge need at WR, 2) they wanted to get more explosive last year, 3) they have an extra 1st rounder, and 4) they've never really valued draft picks all that much.

    Again, there must be a good reason it isn't happening because on paper it makes sense.




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