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    Re: Greg Cosell...very good article about premium positions in this age of the NFL. Is LT still a premium position?



    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Makes you wonder if Jah Reid could potentially be a LT for Baltimore.
    At 6'7 and 324 lbs, he has great size for the position, from what I've seen he is pretty athletic, but is that good enough to (apart from QB) playing the hardest position in football?




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    Re: Greg Cosell...very good article about premium positions in this age of the NFL. Is LT still a premium position?

    I still think LT is a premium position given the responsibility of protecting argueably the most valuable/important player on the team. But it makes me wonder how many superbowl winners had a former first round pick at LT. I know we're definately in that category with Ogden during the 2000 season.




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    Re: Greg Cosell...very good article about premium positions in this age of the NFL. Is LT still a premium position?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    True, BUT, William Beatty was initially the starting LT for the G-Men and he was taken 60th overall in the 2009 draft.
    but was he good enough or would he have been a liability? He was a TE as recently as the year before so im not sure how he would have turned out. Diehl is a great guard and actually played pretty well at T both times he was asked to play it. I guess thats something that could be said about taking a top G that has height to play T, its always possibly they fill in when needed.
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    Re: Greg Cosell...very good article about premium positions in this age of the NFL. Is LT still a premium position?

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    but was he good enough or would he have been a liability? He was a TE as recently as the year before so im not sure how he would have turned out. Diehl is a great guard and actually played pretty well at T both times he was asked to play it. I guess thats something that could be said about taking a top G that has height to play T, its always possibly they fill in when needed.
    He may have been a TE initially at college, but coming out of UCONN he was one of the better rated LT prospects.

    He's not an awesome LT, but he probably would have been as good or potentially better than Diehl.
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    Re: Greg Cosell...very good article about premium positions in this age of the NFL. Is LT still a premium position?

    It depends on the type of offense you run. The packers and Patriots use the shotgun and have quick passing plays to account for pressure so LT is not as important. When you are the Ravens and you are running a 1950s style offense you need a stud LT. The Ravens mostly pass out of play action and with slow developing plays. The passing plays usually have 7 step drops so there is more pressure on the tackles to allow time for QB to drop back.




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    Re: Greg Cosell...very good article about premium positions in this age of the NFL. Is LT still a premium position?

    Quote Originally Posted by srobert96 View Post
    It depends on the type of offense you run. The packers and Patriots use the shotgun and have quick passing plays to account for pressure so LT is not as important. When you are the Ravens and you are running a 1950s style offense you need a stud LT. The Ravens mostly pass out of play action and with slow developing plays. The passing plays usually have 7 step drops so there is more pressure on the tackles to allow time for QB to drop back.
    That's a good point. If you aren't running a modern offense then you probably do need to look to the past to build your team.
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    Re: Greg Cosell...very good article about premium positions in this age of the NFL. Is LT still a premium position?

    The premise of this whole thing is bogus.
    Even though they are "elite" quarterbacks, they are not Super Bowl champions BECAUSE they were top draft picks, but because others on their TEAM (none of the 4 positions originally listed) made GREAT PLAYS to bail their quarterbacks out.

    Eli had two receivers make spectacular catches to continue the winning drives at the end of both Super Bowls.
    Rodgers had the defense continuing a fantaastic year with all the turnovers.
    Brees, defensive back intercepts pass and runs it all the way back for a TD.
    Ben, right before halftime, Harrison makes one of the best plays in Super Bowl history, intercepts in endzone, and runs it all the way back...at least a 10 point swing AND Ben's wideout makes a spectacular catch in the closing seconds to win.
    The Patriots won 3 super bowls with a 6th rounder at quarterback.
    Warner had been playing arena football or something AND stocking shelves...but he had a great left tackle, yes.
    How about Dilfer who was run out of Tampa?...he had Ogden.

    It takes the right combination of players to win a championship and some luck.
    Peyton Manning won his lone super bowl ONLY when safety Bob Sanders comes back from injury and leads the defense to shut down every opponent to get the trophy. Before he came off the injured list, I recall the Colts giving up something like 200 yards a game on the ground and everyone counting them out.
    How about the Steelers and Ben? Polamalu at safety, 2 super bowls.
    Ravens had Woodson. Patriots had Rodney Harrison. Giants had Phillips at safety, a 1st rounder.
    Darren Sharper...
    Maybe its safety.

    It is crazy to take such a small sample and make such a generalization in a team sport.




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    Re: Greg Cosell...very good article about premium positions in this age of the NFL. Is LT still a premium position?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens44 View Post
    The premise of this whole thing is bogus.
    Even though they are "elite" quarterbacks, they are not Super Bowl champions BECAUSE they were top draft picks, but because others on their TEAM (none of the 4 positions originally listed) made GREAT PLAYS to bail their quarterbacks out.

    Eli had two receivers make spectacular catches to continue the winning drives at the end of both Super Bowls.
    Rodgers had the defense continuing a fantaastic year with all the turnovers.
    Brees, defensive back intercepts pass and runs it all the way back for a TD.
    Ben, right before halftime, Harrison makes one of the best plays in Super Bowl history, intercepts in endzone, and runs it all the way back...at least a 10 point swing AND Ben's wideout makes a spectacular catch in the closing seconds to win.
    The Patriots won 3 super bowls with a 6th rounder at quarterback.
    Warner had been playing arena football or something AND stocking shelves...but he had a great left tackle, yes.
    How about Dilfer who was run out of Tampa?...he had Ogden.

    It takes the right combination of players to win a championship and some luck.
    Peyton Manning won his lone super bowl ONLY when safety Bob Sanders comes back from injury and leads the defense to shut down every opponent to get the trophy. Before he came off the injured list, I recall the Colts giving up something like 200 yards a game on the ground and everyone counting them out.
    How about the Steelers and Ben? Polamalu at safety, 2 super bowls.
    Ravens had Woodson. Patriots had Rodney Harrison. Giants had Phillips at safety, a 1st rounder.
    Darren Sharper...
    Maybe its safety.

    It is crazy to take such a small sample and make such a generalization in a team sport.
    Some good points, it is still the ultimate team game. That said there are some positions that are more valuable than others. While the overall value of the LT may have slipped a little with the increase of spread shotgun attacks, I do not think another position has taken its place in the top 4.
    A position on the rise though has to be S both F and S with much more coverage responsibiltiy and tougher match ups with big WRs and TEs with NBA builds.

    In the end though I do not think there is a huge difference in the importance of any of the starting 11, just a big difference in the supply vs demand ratios. It is a lot easier to find a good G, LB, S or RB than it is to find a good LT, DE, CB or QB.







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    Re: Greg Cosell...very good article about premium positions in this age of the NFL. Is LT still a premium position?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens44 View Post
    The premise of this whole thing is bogus.
    Even though they are "elite" quarterbacks, they are not Super Bowl champions BECAUSE they were top draft picks, but because others on their TEAM (none of the 4 positions originally listed) made GREAT PLAYS to bail their quarterbacks out.

    Eli had two receivers make spectacular catches to continue the winning drives at the end of both Super Bowls.
    Rodgers had the defense continuing a fantaastic year with all the turnovers.
    Brees, defensive back intercepts pass and runs it all the way back for a TD.
    Ben, right before halftime, Harrison makes one of the best plays in Super Bowl history, intercepts in endzone, and runs it all the way back...at least a 10 point swing AND Ben's wideout makes a spectacular catch in the closing seconds to win.
    The Patriots won 3 super bowls with a 6th rounder at quarterback.
    Warner had been playing arena football or something AND stocking shelves...but he had a great left tackle, yes.
    How about Dilfer who was run out of Tampa?...he had Ogden.

    It takes the right combination of players to win a championship and some luck.
    Peyton Manning won his lone super bowl ONLY when safety Bob Sanders comes back from injury and leads the defense to shut down every opponent to get the trophy. Before he came off the injured list, I recall the Colts giving up something like 200 yards a game on the ground and everyone counting them out.
    How about the Steelers and Ben? Polamalu at safety, 2 super bowls.
    Ravens had Woodson. Patriots had Rodney Harrison. Giants had Phillips at safety, a 1st rounder.
    Darren Sharper...
    Maybe its safety.

    It is crazy to take such a small sample and make such a generalization in a team sport.
    There still are positions that are more valuable than others.

    The article didn't say anything about QB's being Super Bowl champs on their own. But anybody that denies that QB is by far the most important position on a football team has never had a great one.




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    Re: Greg Cosell...very good article about premium positions in this age of the NFL. Is LT still a premium position?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens44 View Post
    The premise of this whole thing is bogus.
    Even though they are "elite" quarterbacks, they are not Super Bowl champions BECAUSE they were top draft picks, but because others on their TEAM (none of the 4 positions originally listed) made GREAT PLAYS to bail their quarterbacks out.

    Eli had two receivers make spectacular catches to continue the winning drives at the end of both Super Bowls.
    Rodgers had the defense continuing a fantaastic year with all the turnovers.
    Brees, defensive back intercepts pass and runs it all the way back for a TD.
    Ben, right before halftime, Harrison makes one of the best plays in Super Bowl history, intercepts in endzone, and runs it all the way back...at least a 10 point swing AND Ben's wideout makes a spectacular catch in the closing seconds to win.
    The Patriots won 3 super bowls with a 6th rounder at quarterback.
    Warner had been playing arena football or something AND stocking shelves...but he had a great left tackle, yes.
    How about Dilfer who was run out of Tampa?...he had Ogden.

    It takes the right combination of players to win a championship and some luck.
    Peyton Manning won his lone super bowl ONLY when safety Bob Sanders comes back from injury and leads the defense to shut down every opponent to get the trophy. Before he came off the injured list, I recall the Colts giving up something like 200 yards a game on the ground and everyone counting them out.
    How about the Steelers and Ben? Polamalu at safety, 2 super bowls.
    Ravens had Woodson. Patriots had Rodney Harrison. Giants had Phillips at safety, a 1st rounder.
    Darren Sharper...
    Maybe its safety.

    It is crazy to take such a small sample and make such a generalization in a team sport.
    Saved me a bunch of typing.

    The basis for Cosell's argument might be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, maybe he should stick to breaking down game tape.




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    Re: Greg Cosell...very good article about premium positions in this age of the NFL. Is LT still a premium position?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    He may have been a TE initially at college, but coming out of UCONN he was one of the better rated LT prospects.

    He's not an awesome LT, but he probably would have been as good or potentially better than Diehl.
    Im not too familiar with him, but he was listed as a TE his first 2 years and played 2 games at LT at the end of his 2nd year. added weight (20lbs) and came into camp this year as the starting LT until his detached retina (per wiki). its using the term "extra TE" so i guess you could call Jah Reid a TE in that instance.
    -JAB




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