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    Re: Flacco Deal Update...



    It would be understandable if someone doubted Flacco's more significant role in the team's overall success, if they had only made the playoff one year. Even, if they only made the playoffs two years in a row. However, FOUR YEARS STRAIGHT?! FOUR YEARS?! HELLO??
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    Re: Flacco Deal Update...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    It would be understandable if someone doubted Flacco's more significant role in the team's overall success, if they had only made the playoff one year. Even, if they only made the playoffs two years in a row. However, FOUR YEARS STRAIGHT?! FOUR YEARS?! HELLO??


    True. The results are the results. The Ravens had never put together 4 straight seasons of playoffs in their history and that was with much better defenses than we currently have. It's a great streak and Flacco is a big part of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    It would be understandable if someone doubted Flacco's more significant role in the team's overall success, if they had only made the playoff one year. Even, if they only made the playoffs two years in a row. However, FOUR YEARS STRAIGHT?! FOUR YEARS?! HELLO??
    So the other 52 men on the roster had no significant roles their success for the past four seasons? I cant wait to hear the spin when they don't make the playoffs. It will be everyone else's fault, lol.




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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post


    True. The results are the results. The Ravens had never put together 4 straight seasons of playoffs in their history and that was with much better defenses than we currently have. It's a great streak and Flacco is a big part of it.
    Better defenses, better rush offenses, better special teams. Then, just look at all of the players that have come and gone. Jason Brown, Kelly Gregg, Derrick Mason, Todd Heap, Willis McGahee, Lorenzo Neal, LeRon McClain, Bart Scott, Chris McAlister, Samari Rolle, Dawan Landry, Matt Stover, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    So the other 52 men on the roster had no significant roles their success for the past four seasons? I cant wait to hear the spin when they don't make the playoffs. It will be everyone else's fault, lol.
    The defense has a very significant role in why they made the playoffs, as did coaching and as did Ray Rice. However, they've had all of that for years. Something's changed. Maybe you'd like to tell me what it really is if it isn't Flacco.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    The defense has a very significant role in why they made the playoffs, as did coaching and as did Ray Rice. However, they've had all of that for years. Something's changed. Maybe you'd like to tell me what it really is if it isn't Flacco.
    Some of it is. To deny that would be disingenuous. I'm just not ready to anoint him as the sole reason, that's all. John Harbaugh has brought a level of consistency with him that we never enjoyed under Billick, who let the inmates run the asylum.




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    Re: Flacco Deal Update...

    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    ... I cant wait to hear the spin when they don't make the playoffs...
    Are you talking about the Ravens or the Browns? It seems like you'd like to see the Ravens fail so you could jump on Flacco with both feet, but it hasn't happened yet. You're gonna have to wait some years for that IMO... Bc




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    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    Some of it is. To deny that would be disingenuous. I'm just not ready to anoint him as the sole reason, that's all. John Harbaugh has brought a level of consistency with him that we never enjoyed under Billick, who let the inmates run the asylum.
    Which I never said or implied. If you go back and read my post, I implied that people were being disingenuous when they try to deny that Flacco has not played a significant role in a four year run of making the playoffs, not that he was the sole reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    Are you talking about the Ravens or the Browns? It seems like you'd like to see the Ravens fail so you could jump on Flacco with both feet, but it hasn't happened yet. You're gonna have to wait some years for that IMO... Bc
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    Which I never said or implied. If you go back and read my post, I implied that people were being disingenuous when they try to deny that Flacco has not played a significant role in a four year run of making the playoffs, not that he was the sole reason.
    Fair enough.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    you must have had really high expectations for a receiving core that barely had any catches outside of boldin. which i think is the problem with a lot of fans, wanting him to be more in a system that doesnt really allow him to be. I think theres plenty of evidence that already suggests that was an aberration if youd like to call it that. Hes had steady progression in stats and efficiency every year until last year when he lost his top WRs, and even then only really dropped in completion percentage to an unsatisfactory level (which makes sense with a bunch of green receivers). youre saying the team wins not joe, but then saying joes stats werent as good as they should have been when his are dependent upon the team (receivers) performing, which is why i think you are turning a blind eye. 80.3 88.9 93.6 80.9 over 4 years, hes a QB that is in that 90+/- efficiency range with room to get better. his rookie year and last year being the only ones out of that range with reason. hes averaged 62% CP for his career before this year which i think proves the receivers issues this past year. I dont think there is an inclination that the FO isnt happy with his play of last year. They made it a point to call out the real problem, "we need wrs that can catch" because that was the issue. Id even go as far as to say Wrs that run good routes and can get open on 1 on 1 situations goes into that statement as you cant catch if you dont do those as well and that was the real issue with the offense last year. other teams can see that and know what Joe is, if he hit the open market, which yound in their prime QBs with his pedigree rarely if ever do, hell be highly sought after.

    hes a top 10 QB in this league when given the talent around him to perform but obviously not elite in a way to make lesser talent perform like greats like brees brady and manning do. Rodgers Eli Roethlisberger Rivers Romo Stafford Ryan and Flacco are probably in that next tier. I cant say any of them have as bad of Receivers as Flacco does (or such an unimaginative OC) and that makes it hard to compare when you have such great WR talent. i cant say i wouldnt put him ahead of a bunch them as is anyway. I dont think fans here realize how good we got it sometimes.
    I'm not exclusively blaming Flacco for his stats taking a plunge last year--there could be any number of reasons for that. You mention the new receivers--there's also the shortened offseason from the lockout to consider (though all teams had to deal with that, and it was a record year for passing in several respects), as well as the possibility that it might have something to do with Cameron not being entirely in tune with reality, as so many fans seem to think. Frankly, I'm sorry we lost the opportunity to change that variable--I'm not convinced that Cameron's the problem, but I would have been willing to tell him to GTFO if for no other reason than to make a change and see what happened as a result of that change.

    The point I'm trying to make is that in comparison to the defense, the offense is subpar, and is IMO a much smaller part of the reason that the Ravens win so many games. I don't know that the problem with the offense is Flacco, but I don't know that it isn't either, and I'm not going to ignore the possibility that he's at least part of the problem, as so many seem to do. I hope he does well this year, because I really want the Ravens to do well this year. However, I think you're being a blind fanboy if you don't think it's a reasonable possibility that we might be able to do better with a different QB, particularly based on the drop in performance Flacco had in 2011.

    Sometimes it's the right thing to do to sign a player immediately--sometimes a bit of circumspection is warranted. I just think this is the latter situation.




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    I can understand where RedMike is coming from. What's going here, in my opinion, is that the defense has long been establishing, while the offense is trying to establish itself. So, the coaching staff and front office have chosen the strategy of leaning on the established side of the ball, while they methodically develop the offense. It's not easy to develop any particular side of the ball. It took the Ravens four years to develop the defense into the type of unit that set the foundation for its current reputation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redmike34 View Post
    I'm not exclusively blaming Flacco for his stats taking a plunge last year--there could be any number of reasons for that. You mention the new receivers--there's also the shortened offseason from the lockout to consider (though all teams had to deal with that, and it was a record year for passing in several respects), as well as the possibility that it might have something to do with Cameron not being entirely in tune with reality, as so many fans seem to think. Frankly, I'm sorry we lost the opportunity to change that variable--I'm not convinced that Cameron's the problem, but I would have been willing to tell him to GTFO if for no other reason than to make a change and see what happened as a result of that change.

    The point I'm trying to make is that in comparison to the defense, the offense is subpar, and is IMO a much smaller part of the reason that the Ravens win so many games. I don't know that the problem with the offense is Flacco, but I don't know that it isn't either, and I'm not going to ignore the possibility that he's at least part of the problem, as so many seem to do. I hope he does well this year, because I really want the Ravens to do well this year. However, I think you're being a blind fanboy if you don't think it's a reasonable possibility that we might be able to do better with a different QB, particularly based on the drop in performance Flacco had in 2011.

    Sometimes it's the right thing to do to sign a player immediately--sometimes a bit of circumspection is warranted. I just think this is the latter situation.
    Is is possible another QB comes in and plays better... yes. Is it reasonable to consider... not really. who would you want thats actually attainable? outside Manning Brees Brady and maybe Rodgers i dont think there is another QB that is without argument an upgrade to Flacco, imo. there are QBs id still say are better but not so much as to think its worth getting rid of him for and thats in a fantasy world where other top QBs are available, which they arent and not easily drafted either, certainly when youre always winning and at the end of the rounds.
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    just wondering why this post was ignored, no comeback i guess? or just thinking about the reply still
    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    This quote needs to be remembered as very telling of where your opinions lie in regards to Flacco. You are one of many posters here who claim to be neutral in his respect and decry other posters for being "pro-Flacco" and ignoring what you call "facts," but you can't keep your own incorrigible bias from sneaking out.

    It is absolutely ludicrous to say Flacco had two "gift wrapped TDs." How in the world can you make a statement like that on one hand and on the other hand claim neutrality? Only someone who was profoundly biased against Flacco could say something like that.

    Even if Flacco was the beneficiary of good defensive play against Houston, he was under siege the entire game with an OL who couldn't block anyone and a RB who couldn't get 3 yards if his life depended on it. The TD to Boldin in particular was a thing of beauty made from under pressure. Nothing is "gift wrapped" in this league.

    Of course, I suppose it can't be mentioned how, by your logic, 5 of Rice's 12 rushing TDs came as a result of long passing plays that were downed inside the 10 yard line or by DPI in the EZ? Those would be "gift wrapped" by your logic, but that doesn't "fit the narrative," does it?

    I thought the TEAM won and lost games? Why, then, are you attributing the loss to Flacco? I know why: because it suits your argument at the moment. Flacco should receive blame for the loss, but not credit for the wins.

    Is it too much to ask for these rabid haters to stay consistent within their own arguments?




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    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    just wondering why this post was ignored, no comeback i guess? or just thinking about the reply still
    Incapable of a decent rebuttle.
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