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    Re: Flacco Deal Update...



    Besides, there doesn't have to be a frenzy. All it takes is one desperate team to drive the price up.
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    Back to my original question, lets say they get a deal done this year. Will it affect his cap number this year or will he still be playing under his rookie deal and his new contract take affect in 2013? Also, I believe he gets signed over the summer sometime. There will be cuts next year just like 2 years ago to free up space and most likely the cap will be higher also, Reed's cap number will be less if we re sign him as will rice's if we re sign him. Look we just signed webb, lets give oz some time before we panic over the Flacco deal. It will get done, teams do not let franchise QBs go. I would not be surprised though if the Ravens have him play out his contract. Look Matt Ryan has not been signed yet and if he gets signed first that would be the deal Flacco would most likely get depending on if the Falcons over pay him.




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    Flacco would be an upgrade to a lot of teams. Say he is the #13 starter, he would be an upgrade for 19 teams. But the important thing is he wouldn't be a fit for most of those teams. Lots of teams will want to draft and develop a guy or roll the dice on a hot backup like Hoyer. Teams are only going to pay top dollar if they see Flacco as the missing piece for a playoff/Super Bowl run. I think Alex Smith is a good comparable (though Flacco is clearly better than Smith). Teams would rather have someone unproven with potential than someone's who's demonstrated to be above average but not absolute tops.

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    Re: Flacco Deal Update...

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Tbh Rice deserves a long term deal more than Flacco right now. I am obviously a big fan of Flacco, but let him play his year out, and let him show us that he is really "the best QB in the NFL". You know I never hear Rice going around saying he's the best RB in the league, and yet he has probably statistically had a better career so far than Flacco, yes I know Rice said he played out his contract and so he has.
    That's only pushing the problem off to a later date. And to be honest knowing the franchise tag number for a QB is 15 million plus, possibly more whenever Brees signs a long term deal with the Saints, it will be a MUCH bigger headache next offseason than it is right now. There is absolutely nothing the Ravens can do if Flacco has 15 million+ cap number to open next season. That will eat whatever cap space we do have right up, IF we can even afford to tag him at all.




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    Re: Flacco Deal Update...

    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    That's only pushing the problem off to a later date. And to be honest knowing the franchise tag number for a QB is 15 million plus, possibly more whenever Brees signs a long term deal with the Saints, it will be a MUCH bigger headache next offseason than it is right now. There is absolutely nothing the Ravens can do if Flacco has 15 million+ cap number to open next season. That will eat whatever cap space we do have right up, IF we can even afford to tag him at all.
    When you do the numbers, there is just no way we can keep both Rice and Flacco on this team after 2012 unless the cap goes up as a lot of people have been speculating (and it's purely speculation).

    So if you had to choose between the two it has to be Flacco. If you're talking about RIGHT now Rice probably deserves it, however we need to think of the future and it will break my heart when the day comes that we let Rice go/trade him.




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    Re: Flacco Deal Update...

    Flacco is going to get paid. And paid big. Sanchize got 14.5 mill per year. Flacco isn't getting less.




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    Re: Flacco Deal Update...

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    When you do the numbers, there is just no way we can keep both Rice and Flacco on this team after 2012 unless the cap goes up as a lot of people have been speculating (and it's purely speculation).

    So if you had to choose between the two it has to be Flacco. If you're talking about RIGHT now Rice probably deserves it, however we need to think of the future and it will break my heart when the day comes that we let Rice go/trade him.
    You may not be taking released veterans into consideration, like in 2011. What if Ed Reed, and his $7 million, are not renewed? IMO the Ravens will do all in their power to keep Flacco and Rice in 2013... Bc




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Tbh Rice deserves a long term deal more than Flacco right now. I am obviously a big fan of Flacco, but let him play his year out, and let him show us that he is really "the best QB in the NFL". You know I never hear Rice going around saying he's the best RB in the league, and yet he has probably statistically had a better career so far than Flacco, yes I know Rice said he played out his contract and so he has.
    Joe was asked if he thought he was a top 5 qb. He said that as a player you have to consider yourself the best. If someone asked Rice the same question you would get the same answer.

    Rice shriveled in the playoffs and Flacco out played Brady.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    When you do the numbers, there is just no way we can keep both Rice and Flacco on this team after 2012 unless the cap goes up as a lot of people have been speculating (and it's purely speculation).

    So if you had to choose between the two it has to be Flacco. If you're talking about RIGHT now Rice probably deserves it, however we need to think of the future and it will break my heart when the day comes that we let Rice go/trade him.
    I don't think it's quite as dire as all that. I think the cap will go up some next year, and you're not factoring in things like Lewis and Reed's possible retirement. Honestly, I don't see either of them going anywhere for the next half decade.




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    Quote Originally Posted by redmike34 View Post
    I disagree. QBs don't win games, football teams do. Ryan and the Falcons produced 10 wins this year, despite being saddled with a defense in the bottom half of the league. Flacco and the Ravens produced 12 wins with the 3rd best defense. If you traded defenses between the two teams, which team winds up with more wins? There's no way to know, but my opinion would be the Falcons offense/Ravens defense team. And I don't think it would be close.
    Its hard to argue that Flacco hasnt done more with less than Matt Ryan. take defenses away. Offense only theyve put up almost identical numbers offensively and thats saying a lot. He doesnt have near the offensive weapons Ryan has, certainly not since theyve been in the league. that "bottom half of the league" defense also means they're throwing the ball more and getting more situations to pass. Flacco is greater than Matt Ryan and thats not even taking into consideration their playoff or regular season records.
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    Flacco and his agent have not had discussions with the team since the combine .....

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...uting-combine/

    Could just be posturing on the part of the team. If the reports are true that he's asking for top 5 QB type money, I wouldn't call him either if I were Ozzie. He just isn't worth that kind of coin (yet).
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    Re: Flacco Deal Update...

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Flacco and his agent have not had discussions with the team since the combine .....

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...uting-combine/

    Could just be posturing on the part of the team. If the reports are true that he's asking for top 5 QB type money, I wouldn't call him either if I were Ozzie. He just isn't worth that kind of coin (yet).
    The thing is, we don't know if he's asking for that kind of money or not. The club is saying Ray Rice is asking for AP type money. If these reports are true there is no way the Ravens can afford both. I'm inclined to believe that Ozzie is posturing.




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    Re: Flacco Deal Update...

    I never read into rumors or reports until it's confirmed, too much speculation here.

    Btw I do love Flacco, but he isn't a top 5 QB yet, so why pay him like one?




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    And now Aaron Wilson refutes PFT's claims.

    Flacco and agent have met with the team twice since the combine.

    http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/bl...tml?mode=story
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    Re: Flacco Deal Update...

    was webb worth 50mil, heck no, you pay for what you think he will become as much as what he is
    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I never read into rumors or reports until it's confirmed, too much speculation here.

    Btw I do love Flacco, but he isn't a top 5 QB yet, so why pay him like one?




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