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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    That all depends on what states those evangelicals live in. Iowa for example went for Obama last time, North Carolina went Obam last time...
    You're making my point. Those states went to Obama last time and are leaning Obama now. Evangelicals aren't going to push it back to Romney. Independents will.

    Agree to disagree. But I would bet my house there isn't one person in his camp pushing for Huckabee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    You're making my point. Those states went to Obama last time and are leaning Obama now. Evangelicals aren't going to push it back to Romney. Independents will.

    Agree to disagree. But I would bet my house there isn't one person in his camp pushing for Huckabee.
    I've seen all kinds of estimates of how many evangelicals stayed home the most consitant number I've found is about 7 million. Obama won NC by less than 14,000, Iowa by 170,00, Indiana by less than 28,000, FL by less than 200,000. I think it's a 50/50 bet at least that those states could have been won if th evangilicals voted. That wouldn't have won it for McCain but it would have been closer.

    You may be right that no one is considering Huckabee. Can you think of anyone else that would appeal to evanglicals without pissiing off moderates?




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    Rubio says thanks but no thanks. No VP!

    Too bad. He would have helped with the hispanic vote but Romney
    got their vote in Florida while winning the state w/o Rubio.

    Christie doesn't want it either.

    Those southern states above usually vote GOP when there is a
    strong conservative candidate like Nixon and Reagan. Even Bush
    got the south.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1386139.html

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    ANSWER: Nixon.

    Which President finally implemented the Civil Rights Act after
    the SC upheld it when he could have stopped it?

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    I don't think an evangelical type VP candidate is even on Romneys radar.

    He needs to win two of three out of Florida, NC and Ohio if he hopes to win. Rubio gives him Florida. And he's moderate enough that he can grab up the Indy vote in the other two.

    His pick will be about electoral math, not any particular ideology.

    And I'm not buying (yet) Rubio has ruled it out.
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    You're right. Evangelicals won't vote for Romney because he's a Mormon and they consider it a cult. He also said he's not going to attack OBY just to placate conservatives.

    The head of the Southern Baptist Convention said on TV that 30M Christians stayed home in the 08 election.




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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I don't think an evangelical type VP candidate is even on Romneys radar.

    He needs to win two of three out of Florida, NC and Ohio if he hopes to win. Rubio gives him Florida. And he's moderate enough that he can grab up the Indy vote in the other two.

    His pick will be about electoral math, not any particular ideology.

    And I'm not buying (yet) Rubio has ruled it out.
    One may not be on his radar, just wondering if you think there is one that could get both? IMO, that would be Huckabee.

    Rubio, is doing what everyone does, says no but I think he'd take it unless something happens that virtually assures Mitt loses. He wouldn't want to have on his record a failed VP run.




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    Here it says 15% of all white Christians will not vote for a Mormon
    which means millions will stay home again. Link dated Jan 2012.


    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-.../2829752/posts




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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    You're right. Evangelicals won't vote for Romney because he's a Mormon and they consider it a cult. He also said he's not going to attack OBY just to placate conservatives.
    You know the differnece between a religon and a cult? The number of members.

    I find ridiculous and highly hypocritical people who want religous tolerance and shout freedom of religon would judge someone else on their religon..

    The head of the Southern Baptist Convention said on TV that 30M Christians stayed home in the 08 election.
    Look at the source... he just wants a evanglical picked.




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    You don't think Romney would ask Gingrich or Huntsman or even Perry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    You don't think Romney would ask Gingrich or Huntsman or even Perry?

    Gingrich no. He could ppush independents away and also doesn't excite the base like Rubio, Demint, Jindal

    Hunstman - No, may attract some independents but presents the same problem as Romney does with the base

    Perry - No. wouldn't attract independents, would excite some base and push others away.




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    Again, it's all about electoral math, not votes nation wide.

    Huckabee bring nothing to the ticket in terms of electoral math. Neither does Gingrich, Huntsmen, Perry, etc.

    Alan West gives him a shot at FL as well, but he doesn't have the popularity that Rubio has.

    He may also be looking at a younger, less established conservative woman to help in states like Ohio and NC. There are a couple in congress but they are only if Rubio really tells him no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Again, it's all about electoral math, not votes nation wide.

    Huckabee bring nothing to the ticket in terms of electoral math. Neither does Gingrich, Huntsmen, Perry, etc.

    Alan West gives him a shot at FL as well, but he doesn't have the popularity that Rubio has.

    He may also be looking at a younger, less established conservative woman to help in states like Ohio and NC. There are a couple in congress but they are only if Rubio really tells him no.
    HR, I think we've talked enough for you to know that I know it's about electoral math.

    I gave 4 states which Huckabee could help with. I am not saying Huckabee is better than Rubio, just if Rubio said no, Huckabee could get out people who stayed home (neither of us know which states they stayed home in)

    I am just trying to say 7 million people stayed home, is there a candidate that can get them out to vote and also get independents...




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    NC - With all due respect you're wrong but talking about numbers, Islam and Mormonism are the fastest rising religions in the US. The inside Mormon joke is they baptize a new Baptist congregation every week. There are 5M in US and 13M world wide. The LDS is 2d largest religion out side of Roman Catholics in US.

    http://www.allaboutmormons.com/number_of_mormons.php

    It's not about freedom of religion but what people believe in. No one is stopping Mormonism.
    They just don't accept them as a true religion and they have their reasons for calling
    them a cult. I can list them in details verse by verse but I won't.



    I do have a family member that is Mormon. He's my cousin's boy but when he joined they
    sequested him in a safe house for two weeks. No one got in or out. No calls. His mom
    couldn't talk to him for two weeks. She had no idea what was going on but she could
    surely guess.

    When you join the church you go before the board and give a statement of faith and
    publicly profess you Christianity and you're in.

    I could go on and on and you'll never hear Romney talk about it like you have Santorum
    talking about Godly things.

    Now as I've stated many times, I might be one of the millions not voting but it has to do
    with all Romney's lies and politics like Romney Care and I don't believe he'll repeal
    OBY CARE, so like many I can't trust him but if I do vote it's because he'd be better
    than OBY. His religion wouldn't stop me. It's his liberal politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    HR, I think we've talked enough for you to know that I know it's about electoral math.

    I gave 4 states which Huckabee could help with. I am not saying Huckabee is better than Rubio, just if Rubio said no, Huckabee could get out people who stayed home (neither of us know which states they stayed home in)

    I am just trying to say 7 million people stayed home, is there a candidate that can get them out to vote and also get independents...
    I'm talking about swing states, not nationwide. That 7 Million number is nationwide.

    Romney is targeting swing states, not nationally. Ohio, Florida and NC are flush with independents. He needs two of those three.

    Huckabee doesn't bring one thing to those three states. Nor does any evangelical type candidate.

    So no, IMO, there isn't an evangelical type put there that's going to help in those three states. Nor should there be in a race where Indys will determine the outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    NC - With all due respect you're wrong but talking about numbers, Islam and Mormonism are the fastest rising religions in the US. The inside Mormon joke is they baptize a new Baptist congregation every week. There are 5M in US and 13M world wide. The LDS is 2d largest religion out side of Roman Catholics in US.

    http://www.allaboutmormons.com/number_of_mormons.php

    It's not about freedom of religion but what people believe in. No one is stopping Mormonism.
    They just don't accept them as a true religion and they have their reasons for calling
    them a cult. I can list themin details verse by verse but I won't.



    I do have a family member that is Mormon. He's my cousin's boy but when he joined they
    sequested him in a safe house for two weeks. No one got in or out. No calls. His mom
    couldn't talk to him for two weeks. She had no idea what was going on.

    When you join the church you go before the board and give a statement of faith and
    publicly profess you Christianity and you're in.

    I could go on and on and you'll never hear Romney talk about it like you have Santorum
    talking about Godly things.

    Now as I've stated many times, I might be one of the millions not voting but it has to do
    with all Romney's lies and politics like Romney Care and I don't believe he'll repeal
    OBY CARE, so like many I can't trust him but if I do vote it's because he'd be better
    than OBY. His religion wouldn't stop me. It's his character and politics.
    What numbers am I wrong about the 7 million that stayed home? I know I am not wrong about the difference between a religion and a cult. The difference is just how commonly accepted it is - hence the number of followers.

    I am not sure what happened to you're cousins boy, maybe he went to the radical morons in Northern Arizona who say they're Mormons so they can have 5 wives. But, I know several Mormons, more than I can count on all fingers and toes. You do not have to go in front of the board. You take some lessons with missionaries (with other people if you chose), get baptized and bada bing you're a Mormon.

    But I digress, it may not be about freedom of religion, but it is about religious tolerance. Not accepting another religion cause it differs from yours is ridiculous, but that isn't exclusive to evangelicals.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I'm talking about swing states, not nationwide. That 7 Million number is nationwide.
    Right and those 7 million do reside in individual states, and pretty likely ones I pointed out
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