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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?



    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    You need to tell that to Harbaugh

    http://www.hometownannapolis.com/new...sive-line.html

    Rice has been assigned a one-year, $7.742 million tender, but has yet to sign it. The Ravens have until July 15 to negotiate a long-term deal with Rice. Otherwise, he’ll have to play the entire season under the tag.

    No deal is close at this time.

    “I don’t know what their strategy will be, if they feel like they even need a strategy,” Harbaugh said. “That kind of goes back to the agent more than the player, but Ray Rice is a man. He loves football. He wants to be in there with his teammates.
    Well, I guess Rice will be firing his agent soon.

    For example, I remember when Anquan Boldin was upset that Arizona did not offer him an extension he felt he was worth. It felt like he was the odd man out, even though he was the one working hard in Arizona before Fitzgerald and Warner even got there. However, after a while, Boldin fired his agent and signed with Baltimore for about half the guaranteed money we expected him to get. If I can remember correctly, Kansas City definitely offered him more than Baltimore. So, we got to see what his true motives were.
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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    I know I'm a little late to the game here, but I wonder how upset RR could possibly be after getting roughly a 6.5 million dollar raise with the Franchise Tag. I think we need not worry about him holding out IMHO.




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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jsmoove View Post
    He has to, you can't risk getting injured especially something real serious to where it end may cause this young man his career, you just can't risk that.
    I think this is the key point people must realize.

    As a fan of another team (Steelers) I thought I'd weigh in on the Ray Rice situation. Ray Rice has been a huge part of the Ravens offense for several years. His original contract was only $3.905 million total for 4 years, or about $976,000 a year.

    I think he feels that the Ravens have gotten a huge bargain for less than 1 million a year and he's earned a long term deal. 7 mil and change a year is great, but what if he has a major injury in that year? That 7 million would then be his "big" payday because nobody will give him like 20 million guaranteed coming off of a major injury.

    Compare that to Flacco's rookie deal, 30 million for 5 years. Flacco has already gotten 4 years of that and without knowing how it was structured just say 24 million for argument sake. 6 times the amount Rice has gotten. Has Flacco been 6 times the player that Rice has been? I'm not saying that Flacco is overpaid or anything about him I'm just comparing the numbers.

    Also, where was it reported that the Ravens offered Rice Foster money? I couldn't find any details of the negotiations anywhere. If that is the case and they did offer Rice long term money than my opinion will change, but for now I think Rice is getting screwed over. Especially if there was team speculation that he could be tagged next year as well.

    I think Rice may play under the tag this year but not next. All this talk of him being a team player and not wanting to let his teamates down may be completely true, but this goes way beyond that. It's about his livlihood and his family and being financially secure for the rest of his life. Why should he play for 7 million when he can get probably 20 million guaranteed elsewhere?

    At the end of the day Rice needs to make as much money as he can for the several years that the window is open for him. After all the Ravens will still have a billion dollar business no matter how much they pay Rice, so why shouldn't they pay him what he is worth based on others at his position?

    I am not saying he deserves Peterson money, and if the Ravens really did offer him Foster money than all this is moot because then I would say the Ravens did try to do right by him, but I have not seen that reported other than on this board.

    Thanks for the opportunity to weigh in (for those that are still reading as this is very long I know...sorry).




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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    i think it was aaron wilson said we offered similar to foster deal, but a wee bit more than it, and then his agent said something in the media that they are looking more in the lines of AP money
    Quote Originally Posted by vinny600 View Post
    I think this is the key point people must realize.

    As a fan of another team (Steelers) I thought I'd weigh in on the Ray Rice situation. Ray Rice has been a huge part of the Ravens offense for several years. His original contract was only $3.905 million total for 4 years, or about $976,000 a year.

    I think he feels that the Ravens have gotten a huge bargain for less than 1 million a year and he's earned a long term deal. 7 mil and change a year is great, but what if he has a major injury in that year? That 7 million would then be his "big" payday because nobody will give him like 20 million guaranteed coming off of a major injury.

    Compare that to Flacco's rookie deal, 30 million for 5 years. Flacco has already gotten 4 years of that and without knowing how it was structured just say 24 million for argument sake. 6 times the amount Rice has gotten. Has Flacco been 6 times the player that Rice has been? I'm not saying that Flacco is overpaid or anything about him I'm just comparing the numbers.

    Also, where was it reported that the Ravens offered Rice Foster money? I couldn't find any details of the negotiations anywhere. If that is the case and they did offer Rice long term money than my opinion will change, but for now I think Rice is getting screwed over. Especially if there was team speculation that he could be tagged next year as well.

    I think Rice may play under the tag this year but not next. All this talk of him being a team player and not wanting to let his teamates down may be completely true, but this goes way beyond that. It's about his livlihood and his family and being financially secure for the rest of his life. Why should he play for 7 million when he can get probably 20 million guaranteed elsewhere?

    At the end of the day Rice needs to make as much money as he can for the several years that the window is open for him. After all the Ravens will still have a billion dollar business no matter how much they pay Rice, so why shouldn't they pay him what he is worth based on others at his position?

    I am not saying he deserves Peterson money, and if the Ravens really did offer him Foster money than all this is moot because then I would say the Ravens did try to do right by him, but I have not seen that reported other than on this board.

    Thanks for the opportunity to weigh in (for those that are still reading as this is very long I know...sorry).




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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    My two cents....Ray Rice just doesn't strike me as the type. That being said, his best interests would be served with a long-term contract with generous up-front money. It sounds by most reports that kind of offer is currently on the table yet Ray has refused to accept it. I still think he won't hold out but I gotta wonder who is driving the bus between Ray and his agent.
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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    I don't think he holds out and IMHO, I really don't think he expects to get AP money either. But hey... a guy gotta try.




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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheJoeFlaccoShow View Post
    First off what is the definition of "holding out"?? To me it is being under contract, and not showing up to camp because you want more money than you agreed to on that deal. Obviously that is not the case with Rice. He won't sign that tender until he has to, and therefore is not under contract.

    If Rice does not get a deal before training camp he shouldn't and won't be on the field, but I would not consider it "holding out", I would consider it a smart business decision. Ray Rice has zero to gain from training camp and everything to lose if he gets a freak injury. Only a fool would be out there in July for no reason under the tag, especially a player the caliber of Rice.

    It has nothing to do with his character which we all know is second to none, it is about protecting yourself and your future when you are in his spot. His agent will tell him there is no way you are setting foot on the field and rightly so, happens all the time.

    It won't come to that though, because after all this posturing by the agent and his camp trying to squeeze out a few more dollars I firmly believe a deal will be in place before camp. There isn't one now because what is the rush form their perspective? There is none. Camp is 4 months away there is no urgency to get anything done right now. They are just going to keep playing the "who is going to blink first" game for a while.
    Make sense but you know how most Ravens fans are, they think if a deal doesn't get done asap then the player is going to hold out or just leave. Watch how it gets when Webb or Flacco deals get drawn out. Oz is always going to do what's best for the Ravens and that's why Ray lewis is still a Ravens bc Oz knew other teams wasn't going to throw big money @ Ray. I believe flacco and Webb deals get done first. Its unlikely but RR might get tagged again next year but I hope not bc that's like $9,000,000
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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    First Lets Define "Hold Out" My take on that is sitting out of mini camp and training camp and not reporting until the 3rd pre season game. Why risk injury when if there is one his next contract will be a lot less. Plus he already said he is speaking to harbs and will work out a plan where if he does not show up to camp and OTAs he is still up to speed with the rest of the team. He knows he is not worth AP money and AP knows he is not worth what he got. Look what happened to him after he signed that deal.... July 15 is a long time away and there is no need to do a deal now. If there is any deal to do now it is Flacco then Webb, then when July 10 comes around start working with rice.

    Another option... After this year, if he plays under the tag, why not tag him again and trade him for a 2 #1s or a 1st and 2nd. We will have a shit load of comp picks next year also anyway so that may be a good year to get young again at certian positions




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    Quote Originally Posted by blacknpurplepain View Post
    Make sense but you know how most Ravens fans are, they think if a deal doesn't get done asap then the player is going to hold out or just leave. Watch how it gets when Webb or Flacco deals get drawn out. Oz is always going to do what's best for the Ravens and that's why Ray lewis is still a Ravens bc Oz knew other teams wasn't going to throw big money @ Ray. I believe flacco and Webb deals get done first. Its unlikely but RR might get tagged again next year but I hope not bc that's like $9,000,000
    I think most fans of any team become inpatient this time of year when the key players on their respective teams haven't been signed new contracts, it's not unique to Raven fans only. I agree that Ozzie will do what is best for the team, including not over paying a player. So Rice may very well be allowed to test the market next year should he continue to push for AP money. IMO, don't see that happening because I think he and his agent both realize that his ceiling is going to be somewhere near what the Foster deal was.




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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    The chances of Rice holding out are greater than the chances of this




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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrian View Post
    I also don't see Rice doing it. He said he's okay with the tag before, so unless he suddenly changes his mind, should be fine. Negotiating tactics like this always goes on, just business. He seems the kinda guy that loves the game too much and his teammates too much to hold out into the season. If he gets tagged a second year, I could sympathise with holding out.

    If he does, I'd think it would be better for both parties in the long run to try and shop him for a trade even in the summer if they had to. At first, I was reluctant to the idea of letting Rice go as depriving yourself of weapons would be counter-productive, but the more I think about it, the more it makes long term sense. I certainly wouldn't blame him if he tries to go for the top dollar, it's his right to do so.

    It only works if a fair deal is achieved. If he can stay, great - perfect. Failing this, hopefully, Rice will be okay with the franchise tag this year, has a great year (and uninjured for his sake) and then the Ravens decline to sign him next year. Already likely to be a big change next year anyway, so get it all out of the way in one offseason should it end up like that.
    Context is crucial. I don't recall Rice saying he was ok playing under the tag. I recall him saying that the tag would give him and the Ravens more time to work out a long term deal. He was ok with it as long as a new contract got done. I don't know that he wouldn't play under the tag but I think it's to much to assume.




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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    Context is crucial. I don't recall Rice saying he was ok playing under the tag. I recall him saying that the tag would give him and the Ravens more time to work out a long term deal. He was ok with it as long as a new contract got done. I don't know that he wouldn't play under the tag but I think it's to much to assume.
    No he did say he was ok with it since it happens quite a lot.




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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    He may skip OTAs but I expect him to be in camp.




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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    He will probably speak with other team mates who have been tagged and played under it like Suggs. I expect him to skip OTAs and training camp while keeping in touch with the coaching staff. He will show up around the time camp ends for the 3Rd pre season game. There is no way he skips games




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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benny8444 View Post
    He will probably speak with other team mates who have been tagged and played under it like Suggs. I expect him to skip OTAs and training camp while keeping in touch with the coaching staff. He will show up around the time camp ends for the 3Rd pre season game. There is no way he skips games
    Pretty much agree with this. I think for this year he will play under the tag while skipping OTA's and part of camp. Not worried bout that, Ray is a pro and will be in shape and ready to go. I do think however if the Ravens tag him again next year, things could start to get a bit sticky so to speak.
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