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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?



    I don't think RR will hold out. After all he did just get a $7,000,000.00 a year raise.




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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    If he holds out, it will change my view of him dramatically. Right now I think Rice is awesome.

    If he holds out wanting AP money, he will be a lot less awesome in my opinion, and I would hope the Ravens immediately start planning to replace him even if the plan takes another year or so to implement.

    My understanding is that the Ravens have offered him a Foster-type deal and that strikes me as fair. If Rice wants even more, then IMO he's being unrealistic and very much not team-first.




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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Teavo View Post
    If he holds out, it will change my view of him dramatically. Right now I think Rice is awesome.

    If he holds out wanting AP money, he will be a lot less awesome in my opinion, and I would hope the Ravens immediately start planning to replace him even if the plan takes another year or so to implement.

    My understanding is that the Ravens have offered him a Foster-type deal and that strikes me as fair. If Rice wants even more, then IMO he's being unrealistic and very much not team-first.
    I completely agree with your sentiments. I feel the same way.

    I like Rice a lot. I've been watching him since he was at Rutgers. He was a guy I really wanted to see as a Raven even way back then.

    Foster's deal is 5 years, $43.5 million, $20.75 guaranteed.

    Supposedly they offered him something in that ball park and Tony even alluded to them offering him the exact same deal. If I were Ozzie I'd probably go as high as 5 yrs, $45 million, $22-24 guaranteed, but probably not much more than that. Right now Foster's deal averages $8.7 million per season, which is still a lot, but much more reasonable than AP's nearly $14 million per season. At most, I'd probably do $9 mill per season...maybe $9.2, but no more than that. It's nothing against Rice, but the RB position just isn't worth that kind of loot.
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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    He's not worth Peterson money. Peterson isn't worth Peterson money.

    Besides, I think Rice has an image to uphold in the community. I don't think holding out would help that. Even if it's "just business", fans rarely take the side of the player on hold outs.




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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    Quote Originally Posted by KidSampson View Post
    He's not worth Peterson money. Peterson isn't worth Peterson money.

    Besides, I think Rice has an image to uphold in the community. I don't think holding out would help that. Even if it's "just business", fans rarely take the side of the player on hold outs.
    Agreed and Drew Brees is definitely feeling that pressure right now down in NO.
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  6. #21

    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    For what its worth I don't see Rice holding out this summer. However if he and the ravens still have not reached an agreement then I don't see why he wouldn't hold out next summer. I would be dissappointed if he still wants an AP type contract next summer. I'm going to give Ray the benefit of the doubt and say he and his agent's demands will come down some in the next 4 months.




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    Next year, rice if he plays under the tag will cost the team a fortune. He is costing a fortune this year, no RB in this day and age is worth 7.7 million. If I were the Ravens I would at the very least go to some top RB prospect pro days, that should send a message quick. I wouldn't mind drafting a RB in round 2 or even 1, thus saving you 7-10 million NEXT year and for the next 3-4 years against the cap. You can really add to your team with those savings, plus Rice in a few years will be suffering from the law of averages of diminishing returns. From Holmes, Lewis, Mcgahee, mCClain and Rice the Ravens always ran the ball pretty well. Remember, after a few good years with MCGahee, and still having him under contract for 4 years they STILL drafted a RB in the 2nd round.




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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    It's a business and I bet he'll do what his knuckleheaded agent tell's him too. If it wasn't like that already than he would've taken the deal they offered him. The Ravens aren't going to go any higher, and nor should they. If he holds out I'm not sure what they'll do. Personally I'd let him walk pending what kind of effect on the cap it would be.




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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    First off what is the definition of "holding out"?? To me it is being under contract, and not showing up to camp because you want more money than you agreed to on that deal. Obviously that is not the case with Rice. He won't sign that tender until he has to, and therefore is not under contract.

    If Rice does not get a deal before training camp he shouldn't and won't be on the field, but I would not consider it "holding out", I would consider it a smart business decision. Ray Rice has zero to gain from training camp and everything to lose if he gets a freak injury. Only a fool would be out there in July for no reason under the tag, especially a player the caliber of Rice.

    It has nothing to do with his character which we all know is second to none, it is about protecting yourself and your future when you are in his spot. His agent will tell him there is no way you are setting foot on the field and rightly so, happens all the time.

    It won't come to that though, because after all this posturing by the agent and his camp trying to squeeze out a few more dollars I firmly believe a deal will be in place before camp. There isn't one now because what is the rush form their perspective? There is none. Camp is 4 months away there is no urgency to get anything done right now. They are just going to keep playing the "who is going to blink first" game for a while.




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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    He has to, you can't risk getting injured especially something real serious to where it end may cause this young man his career, you just can't risk that.




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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    I think Rice does hold out, which simply means refusing to report to a mandatory team event without approval, whether that be minicamp, training camp, in-season practice, or an actual game. Technically he is under team control as the Ravens have control of his contract rights. He is obligated in the same manner as if he would have signed the franchise tag in terms of attendance at team functions. If he were to hold out of actual games, like Revis and Vincent Jackson in past year, he would lose the game checks and potentially lose the season accrual as well.

    I don't think Rice holds out of the season itself, that's a very dangerous (and desperate) tactic. If he does, the team should unconditionally withdraw any long-term offer on the table. IMO, that's a non-negotiable deal-breaker.




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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    I also don't see Rice doing it. He said he's okay with the tag before, so unless he suddenly changes his mind, should be fine. Negotiating tactics like this always goes on, just business. He seems the kinda guy that loves the game too much and his teammates too much to hold out into the season. If he gets tagged a second year, I could sympathise with holding out.

    If he does, I'd think it would be better for both parties in the long run to try and shop him for a trade even in the summer if they had to. At first, I was reluctant to the idea of letting Rice go as depriving yourself of weapons would be counter-productive, but the more I think about it, the more it makes long term sense. I certainly wouldn't blame him if he tries to go for the top dollar, it's his right to do so.

    It only works if a fair deal is achieved. If he can stay, great - perfect. Failing this, hopefully, Rice will be okay with the franchise tag this year, has a great year (and uninjured for his sake) and then the Ravens decline to sign him next year. Already likely to be a big change next year anyway, so get it all out of the way in one offseason should it end up like that.




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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    Can we please stop talking as if Ray Rice is just a puppet for his agent? The agent works for the player and Rice seems heady enough to understand that. He is also around enough veterans in the locker to understand that. If his agent is saying it, it's not far from what Rice is feeling. It might not be anything personal toward the Ravens, just a business decision. When he fires his agent or signs this alleged offer, then I believe otherwise.
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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    Can we please stop talking as if Ray Rice is just a puppet for his agent? The agent works for the player and Rice seems heady enough to understand that. He is also around enough veterans in the locker to understand that. If his agent is saying it, it's not far from what Rice is feeling. It might not be anything personal toward the Ravens, just a business decision. When he fires his agent or signs this alleged offer, then I believe otherwise.
    You need to tell that to Harbaugh

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    Rice has been assigned a one-year, $7.742 million tender, but has yet to sign it. The Ravens have until July 15 to negotiate a long-term deal with Rice. Otherwise, he’ll have to play the entire season under the tag.

    No deal is close at this time.

    “I don’t know what their strategy will be, if they feel like they even need a strategy,” Harbaugh said. “That kind of goes back to the agent more than the player, but Ray Rice is a man. He loves football. He wants to be in there with his teammates.
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    Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?

    I'm sure Rice's agent is telling Rice "Just stay the course. We'll get them to pony up as much as they're willing to do and if it's right then we'll sign and if it's not then you're still getting 7.7 mill this season."
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