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    I expected a heavy fine and a possible year long suspensions for Sean Peyton and Greg Williams. I also thought Goodell would take away at least one first round pick so in that sense I think the Saints got lucky. Nevertheless the saints screwed themselves and hence got screwed. Goodell only came to tighten it. Wow. If this doesn't send a message I don't know what will.




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    Wonder what Ben Grubbs thinks about signing with them now...? This came a week late, thanks Rog!




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    Quote Originally Posted by pyite32 View Post
    The sad thing is this is what should have happened to Belichik for spygate, but that was swept under the rug.
    I agree that he should have been held much more accountable than what he was. The NFL definitely took it easy on him and the Pats.

    I guess it depends on which you value more/less.

    Attempting to cheat by filming practices, etc? Or paying players to take out certain opposing key players?
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    Bottom line is.... this is far far from harsh... these players and coaches where going out to PURPOSELY injure players for cash, that is unacceptable to me, and Greg Williams should be arrested for this let alone banned from coaching in the NFL. If someone called a guy up and paid him to beat someone up on the streets, both are going to be arrested and probably jailed for it if caught, same rules should apply here.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker: M&T Sec 527 View Post
    They must also have goods on Williams from previous jobs.
    They did.
    Did you not see all the stuff that was written regarding Williams' bounty type practices when he was with the Redskins, etc.?
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    The Saints still have Steve Spags and Pete Carmichael, so they'll probably be ok. Not great, but ok.

    The Rams, on the other hand, are really going to get screwed with this. They were really counting on Greg Williams to re-tool that entire defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyite32 View Post
    The sad thing is this is what should have happened to Belichik for spygate, but that was swept under the rug.
    I wouldn't equate cheating to gain a competitive unethical advantage to players intending to injure another player putting their source of income in jeopardy as equal. If anything the Patriots' punishment should have been just as severe as the saints with the Saints present punishment being even more severe..perhaps taking a 1st rounder as well.




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    I just feel bad for the rams because now they have no DC although I would not personally want him after all this mess came out but still.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Americanmade2012 View Post
    I just feel bad for the rams because now they have no DC although I would not personally want him after all this mess came out but still.
    Why?

    Fisher and the Rams knew probably more information regarding Williams and his role in this stuff then anybody posting on this board.

    Many of us predicted that the penalty Williams would get would be severe.
    Several including myself predicted the Saints (and particularly Williams) would be made an example out of, and that Williams should be banned for life.
    Now I don't know if "indefinitely" is for life, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say he won't see an NFL field this year other then from the TV screen or as a paying customer in the stands.

    So if you know the guy you're potentially looking at to be your DC is in that much hot water, why would you go out and hire him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpmurr View Post
    Wonder what Ben Grubbs thinks about signing with them now...? This came a week late, thanks Rog!
    I thought the same thing but then saw that Broderick Bunkley just signed with them for five years anyway. Green is green I guess. If your motivation is winning or escaping taint, you might not sign with them. But if they put more cash on the table and you are looking to get the biggest payday you can in a career that is by nature very limited in years, it won't stop you from signing with the Saints.




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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fanatic View Post
    Why?

    Fisher and the Rams knew probably more information regarding Williams and his role in this stuff then anybody posting on this board.

    Many of us predicted that the penalty Williams would get would be severe.
    Several including myself predicted the Saints (and particularly Williams) would be made an example out of, and that Williams should be banned for life.
    Now I don't know if "indefinitely" is for life, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say he won't see an NFL field this year other then from the TV screen or as a paying customer in the stands.

    So if you know the guy you're potentially looking at to be your DC is in that much hot water, why would you go out and hire him?
    I am guessing that indefinitely means more than one year (since Payton got one year). And I will go further and guess that it means substantially more than one year. So, let's put the over/under on this at two years. Will anybody hire a tainted DC who has been out of the game two years? Unless it is an Orioles-Duquette type situation, I think Williams is going to have a very hard time finding a job anywhere after this. They may lift the ban on him in two years, but, for all intents and purposes, I would think that he is done in the NFL. (Then again, if Dick Vermeil can make a comeback and win a Super Bowl with the Rams, anything can happen. But Dick Vermeil at least seems to be a nice guy.)




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    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    Perhaps he will lose 1/2 of his 2012 pay (?) ... Bc
    Sean Payton loses all of his 2012 pay; I'm not sure about the GM's pay, but he was fined $500,000, so that's a chunk of change out of his pocket.




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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fanatic View Post
    Why?

    Fisher and the Rams knew probably more information regarding Williams and his role in this stuff then anybody posting on this board.

    Many of us predicted that the penalty Williams would get would be severe.
    Several including myself predicted the Saints (and particularly Williams) would be made an example out of, and that Williams should be banned for life.
    Now I don't know if "indefinitely" is for life, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say he won't see an NFL field this year other then from the TV screen or as a paying customer in the stands.

    So if you know the guy you're potentially looking at to be your DC is in that much hot water, why would you go out and hire him?
    bc he was the best DC out there and suited the rams *sarcasm* lol




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    Re: Verdict is in

    The reality is that Fisher might have let Williams do his thing. Williams reputation is well known. He's been around Fisher before, as has Jim Schwartz, whose current team is building a reputation of their own.

    This might have saved St. Louis trouble from getting caught later.
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    As for Payton and company, they had this coming. The owner told them to shut it down and they didn't. Now, all of those rumors about the way Payton has done things with the physicality of certain situations can certainly hold a drop of water at the least.

    Even without them, there is no way you are going to convince me that the head coach of a SB Champion and oft-playoff contending team, didn't know that his DC (Whose reputation precedes him) and leader of his defense were putting bounties out.
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