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    OBY gives Alaskan islands to Russia

    Damn, the liberals must have really hated
    Sarah Palin. They just brought Russia to
    her door step. But they were fooled. She
    now lives in a $1.5M home in the Arizona

    Well FDR, that great commie socialist gave Russia all of Eastern Europe w/o firing a shot so why not let this commie socialist give them the U.S.

    Anyway, By executive order OBY did just that giving Russia some islands, discovered by Americans between Alaska and Russia in 1881 to Russia.

    The O Bummer Administration drew a new
    boundry line between the two countries
    thus giving Russia sea beds under the Bering Sea containing billions of barrels of crude oil that we couldn't drill anyway cause of the commie libbies.

    As I've been saying OBY is continuing to destroy this country but he's just taking orders from the powers that are really running the country and world.

    Not even he could think this up by himself.

    Then again, maybe he thinks Russia is that
    58th state he has to visit. ILMAO.


    Last edited by AirFlacco; 02-22-2012 at 02:13 AM.

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    Re: OBY gives Alaskan islands to Russia

    Let's get a list going.
    That article was hard to read, they could have given a list


    Copper Island
    Sea Lion Rock
    Sea Otter Rock

    Anyway this isn't a new development, seems to be going back a long way and long before Obama was in power

    Wikipedia [I know, I know] states
    Some U.S. individuals assert American ownership of Bennett Island based on the 1881 landing. A resolution of the Alaska State Senate in 1988 supported this claim. However, the United States government has never claimed Bennett Island, and recognizes it as Russian territory.[14] In 1994, the Alaska State Supreme Court ruled in D. Denardo v. State of Alaska that Bennett Island, along with several islands, is not part of Alaska
    We use wiki to find the court record here

    This summaries it,
    Daniel DeNardo claims interests in five islands which

    lie north of Siberia in the Arctic Ocean: Wrangel, Herald,

    Henrietta, Bennett and Jeannette. When he attempted to record

    these interests in the Nome recording district, the recorder

    refused to accept DeNardo's documents, taking the position that

    the islands are not within the Nome recording district.

    DeNardo sued, seeking equitable relief and damages. He

    alleged that "[t]he State of Alaska being responsible for the

    designation of the recording district must designate a place of

    recordation for plaintiff's property rights as it has recorded

    other's [sic] property rights in the state of Alaska."

    The State moved to dismiss, claiming that it lacks

    authority to designate recording districts for the Arctic

    Islands. The State's motion was granted. DeNardo appeals. We


    The Arctic Islands are not located within the Nome

    recording district or any of the State's other thirty-three

    recording districts. Under AS 40.17.020(a), DeNardo's documents

    may not be recorded in any recording district in Alaska.1

    Moreover, the State has no duty to create a recording district

    for the Arctic Islands, as it is not governing them. The

    question of sovereignty over the Arctic Islands is a subject

    committed to the executive and legislative branches of the United

    States government.
    Ok, the last part has it that the Supreme Court of Alaska declares issues like this are with the United States Government
    So we'll go there and to the State Department

    Now the State Department has an easy to read statement on it
    The U.S.-USSR Maritime Boundary Agreement was signed in 1990. The negotiations that led to that agreement did not address the status of Wrangel Island, Herald Island, Bennett Island, Jeannette Island, or Henrietta Island, all of which lie off Russia's Arctic coast, or Mednyy (Copper) Island or rocks off the coast of Mednyy Island in the Bering Sea. None of the islands or rocks above were included in the U.S. purchase of Alaska from Russia in 1867, and they have never been claimed by the United States, although Americans were involved in the discovery and exploration of some of them.
    Now we look for the other side and get this website where some watchgroup claim to watch the State Department. So they have their own view but they have info on the Alaskan Purchase so it's a start.

    And the the site goes on to dispute what the State Department have. It's a view, the site owner wants to convince but it's one side and it's good to read widely

    Now what confuses me here is the State Department website has that article as 2009
    But the response from that watchgroup is from 2003

    So which is correct? Which Secretary of State was there when they released a statement that the USA had no claim. Was it Colin Powell or Hillary Clinton?

    Well looking at the design of that watchgroup website, it's very old.
    And I put some of the State Departments sentances into google and it was reported back in 2003.
    Ok so, Colin Powell in charge when that statement was released that the USA had never claimed these islands

    There were talking about it back then, this isn't a sudden development though the first paragragh makes it sound alarming

    Behind the backs of the American people, the State Department has been working for more than a quarter of a century to give the Russians U.S. territory that could make the nation more energy-independent. Furthermore, it could someday make the difference between life and death if we are ever attacked by North Korea or China.

    Moreover, he says, “there’s a lot of fish involved,” and the Russians want even more of that than the U.S. has already agreed to hand them. At issue are eight islands in the waters between the U.S. and Russia. Wrangell, Herald, Bennett Jeannette, and Henrietta are in the Arctic Ocean. Copper Island, Sea Lion Rock and Sea Otter Rock are in the Bering Sea.

    Secretary of State Henry Kissinger made the first move on this in 1977. The executive agreement was signed in Washington June 1, 1990 during the last of a long parade of “summit” meetings during the long Cold War.

    The agreement was signed during the June 1990 summit by Secretary of State James Baker and Soviet Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze. The two governments agreed to abide by the boundaries of the document’s terms as of June 15, 1990.

    The U.S. Senate later approved the treaty, explained State Department Watch, with only a small cadre of oppostion senators, led by Jesse Helms, R-N.C., paying any attention.
    Ok, process to resolve this started in the seventies by Kissinger and the US Senate approved this treat but it didn't solve the issue here

    I don't realy understand this paragraph, might make more sense to some

    The Soviets and then the successor Russian government have let 13 years go by without ratifying the treaty on their side. Thus it has not officially become a done deal. In fact, Olson told NewsMax that the Russian Duma (the lower house of legislature) came close to impeaching Shevardnadze over this.

    As long as the treaty is unratified by both parties, it is a mere executive agreement that does not supersede any law. If the treaty were to be fully ratified, on the other hand, under our Constitution, it would become the supreme law of the land.
    Obama continuing on a process that was started in the seventies and has never been finalized. I suppose no President wants to be the one that signs away fish, oil and possible defence issues so every one of them over the decades kick it down the road for the next administration to sort out

    Anyway it's one thing to make a claim but then you have to enforce it
    The imperiled Arctic Ocean islands include Wrangel, Bennett, Jeannette and Henrietta. Wrangel became American in 1881 with the landing of the U.S. Revenue Marine ship Thomas Corwin.
    And reading more on Wrangel Island it seems the USA, Canadians and Russians all sent people to the island in the twenties but the Russians were the only ones who stayed and had settlements

    Why were the Soviet Union establishing reserves on a disputed island back in the seventies? Did anyone speak up?
    Resolution #189 of the Council of Ministers of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (RSFSR) was adopted on March 23, 1976, for the establishment of the state Nature Reserve “Wrangel Island” for the purpose of conserving the unique natural systems of Wrangel and Herald Islands, a the surrounding waters out to five nautical miles.
    This sort of situation is not new and will become very common in the future.
    As overfishing depletes fishing stocks and oil reserves become important, claims will be looked at and enforced
    There is Rockall which is just a rock in the Atlantic Ocean. But with that rock can come fishing rights so the Danish, Irish, British and Icelandic nations are trying to put forward claims.

    Despite the author’s addendum stuck right down at the bottom, the article in Post one makes it seem like it's a sudden developement and that Obama was about to sign away billions in oil, fish and comprimise defense.
    But realy, look back a few decades, the previous US Presidents did pretty much nothing about this situation either.

    Maybe the State Department and Obama will sign them away, I don't know and it's not for me to judge. I got no vote

    But look further then one simplistic article like this from a candidate looking to brew up a storm
    Part of Obama’s apparent war against U.S. energy independence includes a foreign-aid program that directly threatens my state’s sovereign territory. Obama’s State Department is giving away seven strategic, resource-laden Alaskan islands to the Russians. Yes, to the Putin regime in the Kremlin.
    The islands are disputed.
    Obama's administration can either sign them away, enforce the claim and tell the Russians to go lost or do whatever all the other Presidents did, do nothing at all

    One day the Russians will start oil exploration, maybe that's a few decades away still or maybe it's a lot closer. And what will be the response then?

    Ignoring an issue does not make it go away and some administration will have to sort this out

    A bit misleading of a title? Giving away islands that the Bush administration stated that the US had never claimed and the Supreme Court of Alaska declared were Alaskan but then six years later declared were not Alaskan
    Last edited by Irish Raven; 02-22-2012 at 06:51 AM. Reason: edited on the last line

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    Re: OBY gives Alaskan islands to Russia

    Like I said, OBY is just following orders from the top.

    It's not a misleading title. They were discovered by us in 1881 and Congress gave the guy a medal for it. They are legally ours.
    We are the ones giving them away and for nothing in return.

    Also in 1881, he discovered and claimed these three islands for the United States. He named them for the voyage co-sponsor, New York City newspaper publisher James Gordon Bennett. The ship’s crew received a hero’s welcome back in Washington, and Congress awarded them gold medals.

    And keep in mind, I posted links months ago that this administration wants to allow China to build cities in middle America like Iowa and Idaho and this administration is not opposed to it.

    The Russians didn't even know they were there until we found them in the 1880s. American flags were placed on there.

    There are liberals in both parties as we painfully know. Kissinger gave away S. Vietnam to the commies after 58,000 Americans died there over a decade and he gave China a seat on the UN Security Council just to piss off the Russians.

    None of us have ever heard of these islands til now but they legally belonged to the US and Russia will start drilling sometime where the libbies kept us from drilling. Hell, just look at the map of all the water around Alaska with oil beds underneath that we're not allowed to drill.

    And just as the Kissinger negotiations were secret, so were these. The transfer would have gone unnoticed were it not for State Department Watch, a Washington-based group that monitors State Department acitivities.

    All of this despite the fact the Alaska Legislature has passed resolutions of opposition – but the State Department doesn’t seem to care.”
    Last edited by AirFlacco; 02-22-2012 at 09:10 AM.

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    Re: OBY gives Alaskan islands to Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Raven View Post

    Anyway this isn't a new development, seems to be going back a long way and long before Obama was in power

    A bit misleading of a title? Giving away islands that the Bush administration stated that the US had never claimed and the Supreme Court of Alaska declared were Alaskan but then six years later declared were not Alaskan
    Trap sometimes needs help with dates I have noticed. Every morning before class starts I write it up in the right hand corner of the board for him.

    Today is February 22, 2012

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    Re: OBY gives Alaskan islands to Russia

    And keep in mind this is not some politician like Santorum bringing this up during the campaign. He doesn't even know about this. Most people don't.

    Just google the Wash post, Times, and the alphabet
    news stations to see how many are reporting it - none,
    zero, zip, nada, nutten at last look.

    It was done in secret.

    And don't forget OBY killed the Keystone pipeland from
    Alaska to Texas' oil refineries that would have given us
    billions of barrels of crude oil.

    We are still a strong capitalist nation and that doesn't sit well with the rest of the world and libbies like OBY
    are trying to hurt it.

    And speaking of the go'vt run news agencies not
    reporting it, here's a link that said they had 4 times
    as many stories knocking gas prices under Bush when
    gas went up in 08 than under OBY.
    Last edited by AirFlacco; 02-22-2012 at 08:09 PM.

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    Re: OBY gives Alaskan islands to Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    And don't forget OBY killed the Keystone pipeland from
    Alaska to Texas' oil refineries that would have given us
    billions of barrels of crude oil.
    A little off topic, but I guarantee that he either reverse that decision OR (more likely) announces to lift the ban on offshore (deepwater I think the ban is on) drilling.

    Matter of fact, I'll put$50 on it if anyone wants to take that bet.

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    Re: OBY gives Alaskan islands to Russia

    I wouldn't take that bet but I posted a link that OBY
    was opposed to the pipeline cause his pal Warren
    Buffett wants to ship the oil down to Texas by rail.

    He owns the rail road that would ship it and would make billions while the oil could be shipped by pipe for a fraction of the cost.

    The guy already has over $50B and the greedy bastard
    wants more at taxpayers expense.

    Damn, look at this link. Canada has tar stained sands and if we don't buy the oil China will. Look how Buffett acquired the RR - after OBY took office.

    This railroad can handle all the oil shipped from Canada to Houston during the next decade, even longer with expansion. It is therefore in Buffet's interest not to build the pipeline.
    Buffet is a major player in the Obama administration. He has frequent access to the White House and is a major contributor to Obama's campaign.
    Sarah Palin succinctly coined the phrase: "This is Crony Capitalism."
    Lennart Bilén


    Read more:

    Great post NC.
    Last edited by AirFlacco; 02-22-2012 at 02:41 PM.

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    And here, Newt calls OBY a security risk.

    Sooooooo trueeeeeee.



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