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    Re: HHS Says Religious-Affiliated Organizations Must Cover Contraception



    It all comes down to Kennedy who did write he's in favor of big gov't
    in USA v Garcia and I wouldn't even rule out Roberts.

    O BUMMER CARE is even bigger gov't.
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    Re: HHS Says Religious-Affiliated Organizations Must Cover Contraception

    Well I'd like to hear thoughts on BHO's new approach.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Never mind, I found it Galen. And now I know why you didn't include the link. Basically the law professor goes on to say... it ain't over.

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...ntrol-rule.php

    Here is the rest of the article:
    Whatever. The legal precedent is there formed by a conservative judge.

    Not only is your reasoning weak, you offer no substantial backing to what you are trying to present as some absolute truth. As Spam said simple smug answers do nothing for those who are looking an actual argument. Your typical one line "I'm right so therefore I win" b.s. doesn't do much regardless of what you might think.

    Its irrelevent now though as Obama has found a way to offer contraceptives to those 85%+ Catholic women who take them anyway without threatening the conservatives sense of freedom, liberty and all that right wing glory you guys cling to.








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    Re: HHS Says Religious-Affiliated Organizations Must Cover Contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne View Post
    looking an actual argument. Your typical one line "I'm right so therefore I win" b.s. doesn't do much regardless of what you might think.
    WTF are you talking about? Actual argument? All you ever want to do is change the subject.

    Quote Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne View Post
    Its irrelevent now though as Obama has found a way to offer contraceptives to those 85%+ Catholic women who take them anyway without threatening the conservatives sense of freedom, liberty and all that right wing glory you guys cling to.
    It is irrelevant, but as usual you could not be more wrong.

    Let me ask you something Galen. How would you like the POTUS to come and tell you that you are required to offer your patients additional services for free?




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    Re: HHS Says Religious-Affiliated Organizations Must Cover Contraception

    Latest Rasmussen poll shows most Catholics (65%) and Evangelical Christians (62%) oppose OBYs contraception mandate. It's the non-christians that favor it (56%).

    BTW HR - I got that from Freepers, not Drudge.


    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2845475/posts
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    Re: HHS Says Religious-Affiliated Organizations Must Cover Contraception

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Latest Rasmussen poll shows most Catholics (65%) and Evangelical Christians (62%) oppose OBYs contraception mandate. It's the non-christians that favor it (56%).
    Not sure abouut this poll as every poll I have seen supports equal healthcare for all regardless of religion:


    Polls indicate a majority of Americans and Catholics support requiring contraception coverage.

    On Saturday a group supporting expanded access to birth control released a survey showing that 57 percent of Catholic women favor the compromise set forth by Obama.

    It found that 56 percent of independent Catholic voters favored the revised contraceptive coverage rule.

    Among Hispanic Catholics, who could be pivotal in swing states such as New Mexico and Nevada, the poll found 59 percent supported the policy.


    http://news.yahoo.com/u-catholic-bis...212258329.html

    This will be an ugly fight as the Catholic leaderships wants to be sure to exercise their misogynist values over women. This aint the 1960's. Obama put out a compromise that even the head of Catholic Health Association, a female, supported. Now the male Bishops are going to push the fight further. Outside of female Republican congressional women pandering to their base, there are no other women outspoken against this compromise.

    Its all conservative male driven.








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    Typical Galen response.

    This isn't about equal healthcare. If Catholics or people of any religion want contraception they can go to their local health department or planned parenthood office already funded by tax payers.

    This is about what would seem to be this administrations apparent problem with the the 1st amendment moreover the constitution in general. And if you or anyone want examples, I can provide them. Not sure I need to though, since I can point to in this thread where you (someone with the same line of thinking: said "I am truly not concerned about the constitutionality of the policy" and then "
    My point is this: Birth control is good social policy so therefore that trumps any issues with constitutionality in my approach"

    BTW - you never answered this:
    How would you like the POTUS to come and tell you that you are required to offer your patients additional services for free?




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    And as I keep saying Rasmussen is more accurate and spot on than
    any other poll.
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    According to this, OBY declared war on the church and has lost and it
    just may have cost him the election.

    It is even believed that the WH will come out with an announcement
    about changing this mandate. Now This is what I call mobilization.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/whit...eptive-mandate

    He's done more in 3 years turning America into European socialism and
    running up the debt and deficit and Marx could have done in a life time,
    even declaring war on the church.


    BTW HR - This link is from CNS NEWS, not drudge

    http://cnsnews.com/blog/j-matt-barbe...-obama-listens
    Last edited by AirFlacco; 02-12-2012 at 03:32 PM.
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    Well, looks like OBY is caving in this time. Leave it to the church to
    mobilize for him to back down but it may not be enough. It will be like the states plans, specifically Hawaii's plan.

    With this compromise the insurance will reach out and guide the
    female employees to contraceptives.


    Funny that this is in an election year too.


    See vid and it's from the liberal ABC NEWS site, not drudge.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...aception-rule/
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    Seriously Trap - these links are from Friday. The compromise has already one through with the support of Planned Parenthood and the Head of the Catholic Health Organization:


    The White House has support from a key Catholic health group on its compromise birth control policy.

    Sister Carol Keehan heads the Catholic Health Organization. She says the compromise "has responded to the issues we identified that needed to be fixed."

    Senior administration officials tell The Associated Press the compromise policy says religious employers won't have to cover birth control for their employees, after all.

    Instead, insurance companies will be directly responsible for providing free contraception.

    Keehan says the resolution "protects the religious liberty and conscience rights of Catholic institutions."


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1268508.html


    Please keep up with the class Trap or I will need to ask you to stay after for extra help.


    The only folks complaining now are the suckers who think their freedoms are being taken away by providing healthcare to women that they WANT. How dare women ask for equal access to healthcare








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    Galen couldn't take the reality anymore so he storms off from the discussion and kicks the dog so to speak, with that Trap insults. That's rich. Hope you feel better about yourself.
    “Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.”

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