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    Re: Schefter: Caldwell to be Ravens QB coach



    Quote Originally Posted by seraph View Post
    Caldwell came from the Colts air coryell so there shouldn't be any philosophical differences. The developent of Jim Sorgi and Curtis Painter tells me a lot about Caldwell's coaching acheivements.
    ?
    Wow. Ok.

    You have to have some talent to work with. Most teams would have Sorgi and Painter as their 3rd string QB's. They aren't starters or even remotely close.

    If you're not insinuating that, then ok, but that's what it sounds like you're doing. That because Caldwell couldn't turn Sorgi or Curtis Painter into quality starting QB's then he isn't a good coach.

    Norv Turner is considered to be one of the better QB developers in the league. How'd he fare with Gus Frerotte? Heath Shuler?
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    Re: Schefter: Caldwell to be Ravens QB coach

    Quote Originally Posted by seraph View Post
    Caldwell came from the Colts air coryell so there shouldn't be any philosophical differences. The developent of Jim Sorgi and Curtis Painter tells me a lot about Caldwell's coaching acheivements.
    The Colts don't run a Coryell.

    There has to be some sarcasm here, right?
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    Re: Schefter: Caldwell to be Ravens QB coach

    So, Caldwell spent a year in Tampa Bay before following Dungy to Indianapolis?
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    Re: Schefter: Caldwell to be Ravens QB coach

    I like how people discredit Caldwell towards Manning's success, but they want to blame Sorgi/Painter sucking all on Caldwell. Funny how that works.




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    Re: Schefter: Caldwell to be Ravens QB coach

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    The Colts don't run a Coryell.

    There has to be some sarcasm here, right?
    The Colts offense relies on timing and they don't use motion that much. No sarcasm.




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    Re: Schefter: Caldwell to be Ravens QB coach

    He did a decent job with Brad Johnson too. Johnson was a mess at the time.
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    Re: Schefter: Caldwell to be Ravens QB coach

    What the Colts run looks like a a three WR set heavy version of what Cam runs, with more slants. When teams defend them with two high safeties, the Colts scheme does a good job of running slants and ins, to move the ball down the field at a slower pace, proving the two deep coverage ineffective. The safeties cheat and they hit you with either a stutter and go or slant and go.

    They don't run a lot of complex plays. They are more situation-efficient. Manning wants to go deep. Everything they do sets up that opportunity. Cameron and Flacco want to go deep, but they don't do enough to set it up.

    Caldwell has experience with Johnson, who was asked to not screw things up for everyone else, although Johnson and the Bucs didn't win the Super Bowl until after Dungy and Caldwell left. He has experience with Manning, who was asked to dominate.
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    Re: Schefter: Caldwell to be Ravens QB coach

    Quote Originally Posted by seraph View Post
    Caldwell came from the Colts air coryell so there shouldn't be any philosophical differences. The developent of Jim Sorgi and Curtis Painter tells me a lot about Caldwell's coaching acheivements.
    One of the reasons why Bill Polian got fired was because he didn't have a back up plan in case Peyton went down. He never entertained that thought so you can't fault Caldwell for not developing those two because that wasn't a focus of the GM either.




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    Re: Schefter: Caldwell to be Ravens QB coach

    Overall I like the hire. Caldwell's demeanor should fit great with Joe and I think he only develops with Jim here.




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    Re: Schefter: Caldwell to be Ravens QB coach

    The Colts offensive scheme, at its very core, is vertical in nature so it has commonalities with the Coryell system, including terminology and route trees. Beyond that, it's been customized and tweaked to such a degree that it isn't really that close to any other offensive system in the league.

    Tom Moore is the godfather of the system, and he worked under Chuck Noll in Pittsburgh as the receivers coach. He coached up Lynn Swann and John Stallworth. His predilection is to get the receivers vertical to stretch the defense and hit the inside receivers between the numbers.

    So for those arguing about the Colts offensive system, it is closer to the Ravens', but not THAT close. The Ravens run the most traditional Air Coryell in the league, and possibly the most traditional Coryell since the 1980's, but I think Caldwell will be fine from a QB coach perspective within the system.




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    Re: Schefter: Caldwell to be Ravens QB coach

    Quote Originally Posted by Bazooka Joe View Post
    Can't have different voices with different agendas. There's no negative in in this except what you choose to entertain....which seems to be your M.O.
    So one voice = reduced performance = okay in your eyes. Got it. I guess your M.O. is sheeplike obedience?




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    Cool Re: Schefter: Caldwell to be Ravens QB coach

    Quote Originally Posted by Jess View Post
    From Florio's article at PFT





    I'm sure those threads will be in full force now.. sigh

    Honestly, imo.. Manning isn't an upgrade at this point. He's one sack from never walking again.. He'd never survived a season in the AFC North..
    I think Florio is on crack! Between Russ L during the playoffs saying that the Steelers were off during the first round of playoff games (rather than the Ravens) and now Florio making this idot comment, is it any wonder that the reporters from PFW have the IQ of your average seal!

    Maybe next, Florio will say that Rex Ryan will be coming back as DC when Pees fails this year!

    Unbelievable!!!




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    Re: Schefter: Caldwell to be Ravens QB coach

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    I'm not sure which part is better. Getting him to come here or getting him to choose us over the Steelers.

    Would be a great hire. Definitiley has shades of Dean Pees being hired as LB coach two years ago, except instead of doing it as insurance in case our DC left, this would be a guy who could easily move to OC if Cam gets let go.

    Do you really think he would have chosen to go to Baltimore as a QB coach over OC under his good friend Mike Tomlin?

    Maybe it was a ruse to drive his price up? Just a thought.




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    Re: Schefter: Caldwell to be Ravens QB coach

    Another voice to challenge Cam... as well as the experience over the years with Peyton. This is a good thing.




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    Re: Schefter: Caldwell to be Ravens QB coach

    Caldwell does not have experience as a play caller but he should of pick up how to create match ups and counter attack the defense from his year with Manning in Indy.




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