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  1. #16

    Re: Kindle had a hard time digesting the playbook.



    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    To give you a little background, I've been a Longhorn fan for quite sometime, even marrying a UT fanatic, and I have known the name Kindle for quite some time.

    When the Ravens signed him, I had very cautious optimism. He struggled in Mack Browns system (a very straight forward defensive scheme) but had success since they catered a lot to his talents since he is a freak athlete.

    His problem now is that he's an athlete among athletes and has to apply his smarts. I'm sure he's a nice enough guy, but that's his knock. It doesn't surprise me at all he's not grasping the intricacies of an NFL defense.
    Maybe they can find a way to switch him to offense. Not too hard to learn Cameron's system. Most defensive coordinators have it figured out by halftime.




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    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    Any significant contribution by Kindle should be considered an added bonus to this team.

    In other words, expect nothing and take what you can get.

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    Re: Kindle had a hard time digesting the playbook.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    To give you a little background, I've been a Longhorn fan for quite sometime, even marrying a UT fanatic, and I have known the name Kindle for quite some time.

    When the Ravens signed him, I had very cautious optimism. He struggled in Mack Browns system (a very straight forward defensive scheme) but had success since they catered a lot to his talents since he is a freak athlete.

    His problem now is that he's an athlete among athletes and has to apply his smarts. I'm sure he's a nice enough guy, but that's his knock. It doesn't surprise me at all he's not grasping the intricacies of an NFL defense.
    What are your thoughts on some of the Longhorns in this year's draft?

    Keenan Robinson, Emmanuel Acho, Kheeston Randle, and Blake Gideon? Robinson seems like he could be a pretty good ILB.
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    Re: Kindle had a hard time digesting the playbook.

    He has Jason Brookins disease.

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    Re: Kindle had a hard time digesting the playbook.

    He is exactly the type of guy to run with the new breed of TE's these days, I hope now that he has the playbook down he can get on the field more.

    He ain't costing us anything (540k) next year so who cares, we are playing with house money now with all the draft picks we have nailed recently.

    Now that he has had a year to physically heal, and a year to get the playbook down, we should be able to figure out real quick next year if he is gonna make it. Kruger dicked around for 2 years and then all of the sudden figured it out, so it can happen. And Ozzie says by the end of year 3 you know what you have with draft picks, and that will be the case with Sergio.

    Time to put it all together on the field starting in training camp and then into preseason to make his case for playing time.




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    Re: Kindle had a hard time digesting the playbook.

    Interesting about drawing and filling it in himself, helping him learn. They do a lot of that at Montessori schools. As opposed to lecture -> note -> memorize -> regurgitate. It's a different way of encoding the information. I knew people in college who relentlessly "re-copied" their notes. Yes, they re-wrote their already hand-written notes. I thought they were crazy but that's how they learned. Mostly biology majors -- folks who had to memorize long lists of things, and all the taxonomies and classifications. I never could deal with any of that stuff, but I can see the comparison with a complicated NFL playbook.

    It's not like he's learning some easy system -- the Ravens have a highly evolved defense that is difficult for opponents to figure out -- it stands to reason then it's also hard to learn.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Raven View Post
    Interesting about drawing and filling it in himself, helping him learn. They do a lot of that at Montessori schools. As opposed to lecture -> note -> memorize -> regurgitate. It's a different way of encoding the information. I knew people in college who relentlessly "re-copied" their notes. Yes, they re-wrote their already hand-written notes. I thought they were crazy but that's how they learned. Mostly biology majors -- folks who had to memorize long lists of things, and all the taxonomies and classifications. I never could deal with any of that stuff, but I can see the comparison with a playbook.
    I can say from first hand experience that when you write stuff down it is almost burned into your brain for some reason. I used to hate trying to memorize all this shit for school, but started doing just what you said and it was AMAZING how much stuff I could retain. I am almost exclusively a visual learner doing things with my hands as well, so it isn't like I have problems seeing something and remembering it.




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    Re: Kindle had a hard time digesting the playbook.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    To give you a little background, I've been a Longhorn fan for quite sometime, even marrying a UT fanatic, and I have known the name Kindle for quite some time.

    When the Ravens signed him, I had very cautious optimism. He struggled in Mack Browns system (a very straight forward defensive scheme) but had success since they catered a lot to his talents since he is a freak athlete.

    His problem now is that he's an athlete among athletes and has to apply his smarts. I'm sure he's a nice enough guy, but that's his knock. It doesn't surprise me at all he's not grasping the intricacies of an NFL defense.
    OK, but he wouldn't be the 1st player to struggle learning how to play in the NFL - James Harrison got cut 4 times in his first three years (3times by PGH, once by us), primarily due to his inability to learn the playbook:

    "He was just like any other rookie(2002)," says Steelers veteran linebacker James Farrior. "He didn't really know the D. We'd be in practice, in training camp, and he might not know what he was doing so he'd just stop and throw his hands up and tell them to get him out of there."

    "In late July '04, the Steelers called after linebacker Clark Haggans suffered a freak injury lifting weights. They wanted Harrison back for training camp. It wasn't the same Harrison. He went to camp armed with 1,000 flash cards, and laid on a mattress on the floor at night with his playbook and handwritten notes."

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playof...ory?id=3855349

    It takes some guys longer than others. So I'm still cautiously optimistic.




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    Re: Kindle had a hard time digesting the playbook.

    I see good points all around this thread. They didn't put a huge financial investment into Kindle, so what they get out of him will be gravy. There might be a good upside with a very low downside.

    Great point about Harrison. It took him getting cut and going to bigger lengths and doing non-standard things to learn the playbook and become a good player. Kindle being willing to put in the time shows, IMO, something about his character and desire to get to the field. (I think it also shows that Monachino is a coach we want to keep. You guys who said he'll one day be DC, I believe, are on the money)

    As far as Kindle's inability to learn the playbook, there is also the physical aspect that his accident probably impaired. If Kindle's having issues with complicated actions like driving a car or walking steps (actions themselves predicated upon muscle memory and in the case of driving, intuition), I'm sure he's having a tough time developing the muscle memory that helps him to physically remember what to do in the moment without having to overthink it. This is on top of the basic mental-only learning that goes on in football.

    I don't know what kind of ROI the Ravens will get on their minimal investment in Kindle, but it sounds like if he continues to work hard to better himself as a player, it might pay off for both him and the Ravens.
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    Re: Kindle had a hard time digesting the playbook.

    I also think the fact that he has hearing loss in one of his ears from the stairs incident isn't helping him at all.
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    I'm afraid that Kindle = Cody II. All this optimism is great, but combination of slow learner, skull, partial deafness, lack of common sense re night life, etc creates a huge challenge.

    Let's hope that Jarrett Johnson sticks around another few seasons and dip back into draft pool.
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    Re: Kindle had a hard time digesting the playbook.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    I'm afraid that Kindle = Cody II. All this optimism is great, but combination of slow learner, skull, partial deafness, lack of common sense re night life, etc creates a huge challenge.

    Let's hope that Jarrett Johnson sticks around another few seasons and dip back into draft pool.
    He has a lot going against him, but honestly the hard part is over. He's already proven he can hit and be physical. That was something most of the medical evaluators said he'd likely never be able to do again.

    I think that the Ravens will definitely look at pass rushers/OLB's in this draft and free agency, but there is nothing that says that Kindle cannot contribute.
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    Re: Kindle had a hard time digesting the playbook.

    The Ravens do employ one of the most complex defenses in the league. Theres plenty of smart guys that cant decipher it very well (Tom Brady for instance). I dont think its a huge knock on the guy, and coming off a head injury im sure he wasnt diving into a playbook as much as he was just trying to get his ability to talk normally and vision/hearing back. I think 1/2 way through the year would be a good thing. I dont think many other "rookies" really fully learn the playbook until 4-6 weeks in anyway. I mean look at torrey as an example. early season id say he wasnt nearly as good as he ended up, because he learned what he had to do as the season progressed. that includes adjusting to the NFL, which hopefully Kindle has done during practice to some capacity.
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    Re: Kindle had a hard time digesting the playbook.

    There is also a lot to be said about studying a playbook vice studying the playbook and actually physically doing it on the practice field.

    If you take that into consideration, this past season was basically Kindle's rookie year.
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    Re: Kindle had a hard time digesting the playbook.

    Simple solution. New DC (to Kindle): "Hey kid, here is your assignment. You ready?". Kindle: "Yes sir." DC: "See that guy over there wearing number 7?" Kindle: "Yes sir." DC: "Kill him."




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