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    Re: Which players/coaches are leaving with Chuck Pagano?



    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    Chris Carr came here because of Pagano. They also worked together in Oakland. If Carr is cut, and supposedly he thinks he will be because he's putting his house on the market, I could see him signing with Indy.
    I heard another rumor that Matt Birk sold his house TO Chris Carr.

    Let's see how it plays out. Carr being cut wouldn't be so terrible, he's at best #4 on the depth chart if we retain Cary. The contract he signed really doesn't justify a #4 CB.
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    Re: Which players/coaches are leaving with Chuck Pagano?

    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    While from a football standpoint (as opposed to not enjoying losing long time, admirable players), I have no problem if JJ walks and we get younger at the position, but there's a big question in my mind about whether Kruger is ready to replace him. While Kruger is probably the better pass rusher, he's not as good in coverage and, more importantly, not anywhere near as good in stopping the run.

    I'm not sold on Kruger as being a viable replacement yet.

    I think we'll have a much easier time replacing Redding with quality (Jones and McPhee), than we will in replacing JJ with Kruger.
    Agree. Losing JJ and his ability to basically shrink the amount of field the other guys have to worry about would mean significantly altering how the Ravens play defense. JJ doesn't give you the pressure, but teams can't run to his side. Putting a Kruger there basically means we have rushers on both sides, opening up options in the running game for opponents, and more stress on the D overall.

    The more you can shrink the field AND make the other teams' play calling more predictable, the better each man on the D is able to execute. Losing JJ would mean an across-the-board hit to the D, pretty much.

    Then again, with our front, there's an argument to be made that if Kruger can be an effective open field tackler and not get caught overpursuing and seal off the back side of run plays, he helps us on pass rushing downs -- and with the league's emphasis on passing and the prevalance of pass heavy teams especially what we see in the playoffs... certainly makes it an interesting trade-off to ponder.

    But as things are I'd like to see us keep JJ. I think he's more useful to the Ravens scheme than he would be to most other teams, especially a rebuilding team. I think he'd be wasting his talent in Indy for the couple years he has left, but then again, if you only have 2-3 years, lets say, there's a lot to be said for maxing out the dollars before you hang em up. I wouldn't fault him for just taking the biggest paycheck, he's earned that right.




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    Re: Which players/coaches are leaving with Chuck Pagano?

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    I heard another rumor that Matt Birk sold his house TO Chris Carr.

    Let's see how it plays out. Carr being cut wouldn't be so terrible, he's at best #4 on the depth chart if we retain Cary. The contract he signed really doesn't justify a #4 CB.
    The way our cornerbacks tear ACL's we should probably just hang on to him. Twice in 3 years our #4 CB has had to start on a regular basis.




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    Re: Which players/coaches are leaving with Chuck Pagano?

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    I heard another rumor that Matt Birk sold his house TO Chris Carr.

    Let's see how it plays out. Carr being cut wouldn't be so terrible, he's at best #4 on the depth chart if we retain Cary. The contract he signed really doesn't justify a #4 CB.
    Cary Williams is a RFA so he's coming back.
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    Re: Which players/coaches are leaving with Chuck Pagano?

    Chris Carr and Tom Zbikowski could certainly go with Pagano. If the Colts switch to a 3-4 style of defense, Jameel McClain could leave as well. Personally, I believe that if the Ravens draft Dont'a Hightower, he will start beside Ray Lewis week 1.
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    Maybe one of the safeties, they want to start. McKinney maybe also. JJ will be back, he is a run stopper(plus doesn't want to lose) redding? Do the Ravens want Redding? Jones takes his spot or McPhee. McClain will be retained. HOPE Ellerbe goes. Carr will go if cut, he makes to much as a 4th cb.




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    But for how much longer is he going to be able to be a good run defender? I think Kruger is a much better pass rusher at this point.




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    Re: Which players/coaches are leaving with Chuck Pagano?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lime in the Coconut View Post
    But for how much longer is he going to be able to be a good run defender? I think Kruger is a much better pass rusher at this point.
    Agreed.

    If you noticed in the Pats game, Kruger was on the field a lot more than JJ.

    I think JJ is great, but I really just don't see him being a Raven next year.
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    Re: Which players/coaches are leaving with Chuck Pagano?

    I think it's time to continue the youth movement and really the move helps our pass rush on all downs. Not to mention you have some interesting guys behind them like Kindle and McAdoo who could add something as well.




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    Why is everyone so down on Ellerbe? i dont think he had an outstanding year (mostly due to injury) but he still played comparable to McClain when he did play and was healthy. I think hes a cheap backup at this point which well need. Ayanbadejo probably wont return either at 35, or maybe he gets a 1 year vet min deal.
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    I'm not rooting for McClain to return. I still don't even think he's a true ILB and I don't think he's anything great, average at best. We need to address this position because they've been part of the problem at times against the run. We need to get some tackling machines.




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    Re: Which players/coaches are leaving with Chuck Pagano?

    I suspect Kruger played more as Pats pass a lot more than they run.
    would hate to see JJ go but we've seen 30ish defenders leave before (Bart Scott, Adalius, Starks, Edge, etc) and survived.
    wouldn't it be great if Kindle caught fire and became a big-time player next year.

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    Re: Which players/coaches are leaving with Chuck Pagano?

    With the type of talent that Dannell Ellerbe possesses, he had no business letting Jameel McClain switch from OLB to ILB and take a starting position over him. His problem is that, from what I have gathered, he does not put in the time during the week, to maximize his physical potential. Tom Brady had him doing circles.
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    Re: Which players/coaches are leaving with Chuck Pagano?

    I think that we could look at players who would want the opportunity to start, are not too old and who might not be affordable.

    Brandon McKinney is one guy that could leave, along with Chris Carr and one of the safeties.

    By the way, has anyone thought that, depending on the tender they give him, Cary Williams could receive an offer sheet?
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    Re: Which players/coaches are leaving with Chuck Pagano?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post

    By the way, has anyone thought that, depending on the tender they give him, Cary Williams could receive an offer sheet?
    I mentioned that in one of my end-of-season threads on Monday. I think Williams gets a first round tender which means he will be a Raven for at least a year longer.

    If he gets less than a 1st round tender, I think there's a legit shot he could get an offer sheet elsewhere and I think the Ravens would let him walk and take the draft pick rather than absorb a moonshot contract on a player who has only one year of starting experience. From another team's standpoint, it might be worthwhile (if you have the cap space) to give up that high draft pick for a player in his prime like Williams as opposed to rolling the dice on a unproven rookie.

    Personally, I'd actually like to see the Ravens take a shot at a nice 3 year deal at a hometown discount to secure his services affordably for 3 more years. Williams has yet to hit his big NFL payday and if we could get him under contract for $2.5 million this year and maybe $3.5 million for 2013 (age 28) and 2014 (age 29), I think that would make both player and team happy.
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