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    Re: Should Ravens Switch to a 4-3 Defense?



    These threads always make me LOL. The Ravens already run a 4-3 on a good deal of their plays. I don't know how many times it has to be said that the Ravens have a hybrid defense and don't have a traditional "base" formation. We have a very diverse group of players so it makes sense to run a diverse set of formations.

    Ngata can play 4-3 DE, 3-4 DE, DT, NT, and really any position you come up with on the line. Cody is a NT, but even some 4-3 sets utilize a NT/UT set up instead of just 2 DT's. McPhee can play 4-3 DT, 4-3 DE, and 3-4 DE. Jones can play 4-3 DT and 3-4 DE. Suggs, Kruger, Kindle, and probably McAdoo can play 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE. McClellan learned to play ILB this year out of necessity but I could see him being a very versatile player capable of filling in at any LB position.




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    Re: Should Ravens Switch to a 4-3 Defense?

    They don't currently have the linebackers to successfully run the 4-3 full-time.
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    Re: Should Ravens Switch to a 4-3 Defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    They don't currently have the linebackers to successfully run the 4-3 full-time.
    So how does running a 3-4 help with the LB situation?




  4. Re: Should Ravens Switch to a 4-3 Defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    They don't currently have the linebackers to successfully run the 4-3 full-time.
    I dont think we have LB's for a 3-4 etheir. Is JJ really a 3-4 starting outside LB? Ray Lewis isnt really a force in the middle like that. Suggs i wold say is that hybrid DE/LB to fit in a 3-4. He is the only idol LB we have for a 3-4 IMO




  5. Re: Should Ravens Switch to a 4-3 Defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by mfdoom42 View Post
    These threads always make me LOL. The Ravens already run a 4-3 on a good deal of their plays. I don't know how many times it has to be said that the Ravens have a hybrid defense and don't have a traditional "base" formation. We have a very diverse group of players so it makes sense to run a diverse set of formations.
    I think the OP is talking about running a traditional Base 4-3 not hybrid like we run




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    Re: Should Ravens Switch to a 4-3 Defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    They don't currently have the linebackers to successfully run the 4-3 full-time.
    I disagree with that.

    I think they are 1 LB away from being a decent 4-3 unit, but I think they're a LB shy of being a good 3-4 unit as well.

    I actually think that JJ would be a good weakside OLB. McClain isn't the greatest in coverage, but he's not terrible. He'd be my choice for the strong side. Ellerbe would be my #2 Mike behind Ray Lewis. Also, with the way the draft is shaping up the Ravens could easily take a guy like Lavonte David, Zach Brown, or Terrell Manning.

    Stephen Tulloch, Dan Connor, EJ Henderson, Kirk Morrison, Joe Mays, Wesley Woodyard, and Barrett Ruud are all FA's and all have functioned well in a 4-3.

    It's entirely possible.

    Kruger is obviously really great as a pass rushing DE, but in coverage he's just not quick enough to be effective at it. Pernell McPhee is also someone who could play LE in a 4-3.

    Honestly though, it doesn't matter because offenses are still going to try and double Suggs until the Ravens get someone who can legitimately rush the passer from the opposite side and be an every down OLB/DE. Hopefully that's Kruger or Kindle.
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  7. Re: Should Ravens Switch to a 4-3 Defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I disagree with that.

    I think they are 1 LB away from being a decent 4-3 unit, but I think they're a LB shy of being a good 3-4 unit as well.

    I actually think that JJ would be a good weakside OLB. McClain isn't the greatest in coverage, but he's not terrible. He'd be my choice for the strong side. Ellerbe would be my #2 Mike behind Ray Lewis.
    JJ would make a great weakside LB but Ellebre is not a MLB. He looks lost out there and gets hurt a lot. He has speed and great lateral movement but he doesnt read play and his awareness sucks. McClain would be my #2 behind lewis and Raves could draft a strong side LB. We have everything else in place.




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    Re: Should Ravens Switch to a 4-3 Defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by mommathurgoesthatman View Post
    I think the OP is talking about running a traditional Base 4-3 not hybrid like we run
    We haven't ran a true hybrid D since Rex Ryan left.
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    Re: Should Ravens Switch to a 4-3 Defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I disagree with that.

    I think they are 1 LB away from being a decent 4-3 unit, but I think they're a LB shy of being a good 3-4 unit as well.

    I actually think that JJ would be a good weakside OLB. McClain isn't the greatest in coverage, but he's not terrible. He'd be my choice for the strong side. Ellerbe would be my #2 Mike behind Ray Lewis. Also, with the way the draft is shaping up the Ravens could easily take a guy like Lavonte David, Zach Brown, or Terrell Manning.

    Stephen Tulloch, Dan Connor, EJ Henderson, Kirk Morrison, Joe Mays, Wesley Woodyard, and Barrett Ruud are all FA's and all have functioned well in a 4-3.

    It's entirely possible.

    Kruger is obviously really great as a pass rushing DE, but in coverage he's just not quick enough to be effective at it. Pernell McPhee is also someone who could play LE in a 4-3.

    Honestly though, it doesn't matter because offenses are still going to try and double Suggs until the Ravens get someone who can legitimately rush the passer from the opposite side and be an every down OLB/DE. Hopefully that's Kruger or Kindle.
    Full agree with you on McPhee, but I think we'll see him be used as (and be effective) a 4-3 pass rusher next season - similar to Geno Atkins in Cincy.
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    Re: Should Ravens Switch to a 4-3 Defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremiah W View Post
    3-4 vs 4-3 base is over rated. As long as we stop the run, most of the big games will be played in a nickle base anyway. The Ravens have always used a variety of formations.
    IMO defense is much more about the players than the scheme. Can your front 4 ge pressure, can your CBs cover 1 on 1, do you need both safties deep or can one be a box player and still match up? If you have a hole in your defensive personel the scheme is almost always going to be trying to cover that up and not mixing it up and keeping the OC guessing.
    Yep. In the new NFL, they rarely call holding. Plus, the most important thing is having good cover corners and Lb's who can cover as well. It's becoming 7-7 drills.
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    Re: Should Ravens Switch to a 4-3 Defense?

    Does JJ have the speed and quickness to play 4-3 WLB? I thought a 4-3 WLB should be able to play well in open space. It's not that JJ would be bad at it, but I can't see him being an ideal fit there either. Wouldn't he be better as the SLB, which is pretty much what he does now, where he works in traffic and can square up against blockers and set the edge? He does that well already.

    Do we really have a proper 4-3 WLB type on the team? If I had to pick one I'd say it's Ayanbadejo but I can see that most of you are thinking with different criteria so I'm wondering why you're thinking JJ.




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    Re: Should Ravens Switch to a 4-3 Defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by Teavo View Post
    Does JJ have the speed and quickness to play 4-3 WLB? I thought a 4-3 WLB should be able to play well in open space. It's not that JJ would be bad at it, but I can't see him being an ideal fit there either. Wouldn't he be better as the SLB, which is pretty much what he does now, where he works in traffic and can square up against blockers and set the edge? He does that well already.

    Do we really have a proper 4-3 WLB type on the team? If I had to pick one I'd say it's Ayanbadejo but I can see that most of you are thinking with different criteria so I'm wondering why you're thinking JJ.
    JJ is a free agent. If they went 4-3 they wouldn't look to resign him. Even if they stay 3-4 JJ is probably just 50/50 at coming back.
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  13. Re: Should Ravens Switch to a 4-3 Defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    JJ is a free agent. If they went 4-3 they wouldn't look to resign him. Even if they stay 3-4 JJ is probably just 50/50 at coming back.
    JJ IMO is not really needed on our team. yes he does a good job setting the edge but i know our defense will get faster without him. If he come back i hope he has smaller role and takes a pay cut.




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    Re: Should Ravens Switch to a 4-3 Defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by blah3 View Post
    So how does running a 3-4 help with the LB situation?
    They can play games with Suggs' versatility in the 3-4. In the 4-3, he would be a full-time DE, likely rushing from one side. You need a more athletic MLB in the 4-3, which is why Ray would not be able to do it full time. There is less space for him to cover in the 3-4, so they don't run the 4-3 full-time.
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  15. Re: Should Ravens Switch to a 4-3 Defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarthCorvax View Post
    Yes. Soon as we can add Justin Tuck and JPP
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    Can we add Hakeem Nicks and Cruz too while we're at it?

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