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    Re: AFC North predictions for next season



    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    I believe Harrison signed his deal in 2009. meaning this would have been his 3rd year under the deal. all contracts in the NFL are basically 3 year deals. 10 mill guaranteed should already be accounted for so I think his injuries and larger cap number may be a reason. its just my opinion, havent heard anything suggesting such.

    http://nflfromthesidelines.blogspot....t-details.html

    The Steelers will not cut Harrison. Cutting him would create about 3.5 mil in dead money while saving only 5.5 mil, and Worilds is not ready to start IMO. Cutting someone like Ward would make more sense because it would save 4 mil while only creating 600k in dead money.




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    Quote Originally Posted by pslholder96 View Post
    Yes but in San Diego we are 1-2. Lost 32-14 in 2007, 34-14 this year and barely won 31-26 in 2009. Rivers has been the difference maker in these games.
    I wouldn't use the 2007 team as a barometer. That was a decimated team, and pre Harbaugh/Flacco.

    Either way, that's a tough game though.

    With the schedule, I could see us doing 7-1 at home, 4-4 or 5-3 on the road. So probably somewhere around 11-5 or 12-4 is my best guess, as things stand now. A lot could change between now and then though.




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    Quote Originally Posted by vinny600 View Post
    The Steelers will not cut Harrison. Cutting him would create about 3.5 mil in dead money while saving only 5.5 mil, and Worilds is not ready to start IMO. Cutting someone like Ward would make more sense because it would save 4 mil while only creating 600k in dead money.
    I think its a definite Ward is gone if he isnt a FA, which i thought he was. I can see them gutting the team as theyll have to in some capacity anyway just to get under the cap. Why Keep Harrison if youre doing a youth movement anyway? Youre talking about a 34 year old LB with back issues that has regressed. I think it would be a smart move on their part. teams have cut players for more dead money than 3.5 million, so i dont see that as a deterrent. 5.5 is 5.5 and they need all the help they can. Like i said i dont think its definite, but i do think itll happen. Worlids is thought of pretty highly in Pitt, and i think if given the chance would be able to step up for a fraction of the cost. Its a business move, and i see it as a possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    4. The Browns (finish 6-11, wins will come from Steelers at home, the Bengals at home, Bills at home, Redskins at home, Colts on the road, Broncos on the road. I also think that they will draft RG3)
    Poor Cleveland Browns. Only they could find a way to go 6-11 and lose a 17th game.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    I think its a definite Ward is gone if he isnt a FA, which i thought he was. I can see them gutting the team as theyll have to in some capacity anyway just to get under the cap. Why Keep Harrison if youre doing a youth movement anyway? Youre talking about a 34 year old LB with back issues that has regressed. I think it would be a smart move on their part. teams have cut players for more dead money than 3.5 million, so i dont see that as a deterrent. 5.5 is 5.5 and they need all the help they can. Like i said i dont think its definite, but i do think itll happen. Worlids is thought of pretty highly in Pitt, and i think if given the chance would be able to step up for a fraction of the cost. Its a business move, and i see it as a possibility.
    They don't really need to do a youth movement. Cutting:

    Hampton
    Kemo
    Hoke
    Smith
    Farrior
    Foote
    Battle
    Allen
    Ward
    McFadden

    ... would save them over $20 million. Deferring the roster bonuses for Woodley and Timmons over the length of their contracts saves about another $10 million. So there's $30 million they can save right off the bat without cutting any players of significance.

    Again, where they'll be hurting is on veteran depth off the bench - they really won't have a lot.




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    Ravens 15-1 with the one loss coming to the Bengals in Baltimore.

    Beat the Steelers 44-14 in Baltimore and 31-3 in Heinz Field.

    Steelers finish 10-6.




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    Quote Originally Posted by madmikey View Post
    They don't really need to do a youth movement. Cutting:

    Hampton
    Kemo
    Hoke
    Smith
    Farrior
    Foote
    Battle
    Allen
    Ward
    McFadden

    ... would save them over $20 million. Deferring the roster bonuses for Woodley and Timmons over the length of their contracts saves about another $10 million. So there's $30 million they can save right off the bat without cutting any players of significance.

    Again, where they'll be hurting is on veteran depth off the bench - they really won't have a lot.
    maybe i miss heard but i thought they were 20-25 million over the estimated cap next year? not including resigning any of their own FAs or draft picks.

    My point is if youre going to get rid of every name except harrison and woodley, why keep harrison? thats an obvious youth movement in my eyes, and even if its only one year, the chances Harrison is around and effective will be highly unlikely. save the extra 5.5 and release him, allowing you to move that dead money to next year when youll hopefully have more cap room anyway.

    From the SteelersDepot:
    The Pittsburgh Steelers are already nearly $20 plus million over the 2012 projected salary cap number of $125 million and that is with just 44 players under contract
    cutting 30 million only gets them under the cap by about 10 million at the most. theres going to be major changes in Pittsburgh. theyre going to need to fill that roster with a lot of young players on the cheap, and 5.5 million could be 2-3 decent vets, as opposed to just roster filler and harrison.

    Even if they keep Harrison with all the players youre suggesting, they wont be the same team weve had trouble with in years past and will be lucky to have a winning season. especially if they plan on only playing with 34 players all season. Losing Mike Wallace, although i dont think hes the best WR on their team, will be a huge loss none the less.
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    Tough to predict so far out. There is upheaval in the coaching staff right now. Will Reed stay or retire? Who will be cut, who will be drafted, who will be signed, will there be significant injuries? I think based on odds alone the Ravens will not make the playoffs.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    maybe i miss heard but i thought they were 20-25 million over the estimated cap next year? not including resigning any of their own FAs or draft picks.

    My point is if youre going to get rid of every name except harrison and woodley, why keep harrison? thats an obvious youth movement in my eyes, and even if its only one year, the chances Harrison is around and effective will be highly unlikely. save the extra 5.5 and release him, allowing you to move that dead money to next year when youll hopefully have more cap room anyway.

    From the SteelersDepot:


    cutting 30 million only gets them under the cap by about 10 million at the most. theres going to be major changes in Pittsburgh. theyre going to need to fill that roster with a lot of young players on the cheap, and 5.5 million could be 2-3 decent vets, as opposed to just roster filler and harrison.

    Even if they keep Harrison with all the players youre suggesting, they wont be the same team weve had trouble with in years past and will be lucky to have a winning season. especially if they plan on only playing with 34 players all season. Losing Mike Wallace, although i dont think hes the best WR on their team, will be a huge loss none the less.
    They're not really getting rid of any "names". Most of the guys listed were not starters last year. Hampton and Farrior started but became part-time players. McFadden lost his starting job and finished the year at the bottom of the CB list. Battle was a special teamer. Ward was 5th string. Kemo finished as a 3rd stringer but was pressed into duty due to injuries. Smith barely played before getting injured again.

    The only two positions on D where they would have new starters are NT (where McLendon played decently) and ILB (likely Stevenson Sylvester.

    The O would be the same except for the line which was a patchwork last year because of injuries. At the moment the line would likely be:

    Gilbert-Foster-Pouncey-Legursky-Colon (who would cost more to cut than it would to have him play).

    Despite all the talk of a revamp, we're only talking about 2 (and possibly 1 if Foote stays) starters changing. They save most of their money by cutting veteran backups and the rest by renegotiating 2-3 contracts. They will have to replace the cut players with rookies and cheaper vets, but it's easily doable. The team should still contend next year if it can stay healthy.

    If they can't stay healthy they'll be in trouble, but you can say that about most teams.

    That said, the Ravens should win the div. I still see the Steelers finished second and the Bengals 3rd.

    Records are too tough to predict so I wouldn't even want to take a stab at that.

    I was one of those who thought the Eagles would dominate last year and look how that worked out...




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    Madmikey, You can cut players, but you then have to fill those spots. That isn't free. That costs money so you really have to chop alot more than 3o million to get new players in and sign your RFA's and UFA's and 4 million for draft picks. Plus Keisel, Pouncey and Mendenhall coming off surgeries. Lot of "ifs" players off surgery you know are unknowns. As far as division Ravens look the best, but really that's just on paper-means nothing. Alot can happen. Colon who hasn't played in 2 years? Then Gilbert had shoulder surgery( usually can't weight train for a long time after that. Lots of ifs. But who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    Madmikey, You can cut players, but you then have to fill those spots. That isn't free. That costs money so you really have to chop alot more than 3o million to get new players in and sign your RFA's and UFA's and 4 million for draft picks. Plus Keisel, Pouncey and Mendenhall coming off surgeries. Lot of "ifs" players off surgery you know are unknowns. As far as division Ravens look the best, but really that's just on paper-means nothing. Alot can happen. One thing is Colon? He is guaranteed $, but hasnt really played in 2 years. Can you count on that, 2 years if injury and non playing? I think Gilbert who did decent is also having Surgery if I'm not mistaken for a shoulder? Can't lift usually for shoulder injuries for 4-6 months.
    Depends on what kind of surgery.

    Torn labarum or rotator cuff? Yea, no lifting for a while. Rehab will be a lot of resistance exercises.

    A "cleanup" or even a AC Separation? He could be back in the gym in 2 months or less depending on the severity.

    I do agree that the Steelers have a lot of tough decisions to make and their fans are going to have a lot of reactions like we all did when we saw Heap and Mason's name on the cut list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleApocalypse37 View Post
    Ravens 15-1 with the one loss coming to the Bengals in Baltimore.

    Beat the Steelers 44-14 in Baltimore and 31-3 in Heinz Field.

    Steelers finish 10-6.
    So a mediocre road team will beat the Bengals, Steelers, Chargers, Texans, and Eagles on the road, huh? This thread should have been titled "Realistic AFC North Predictions for next season".




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    I honestly think the steelers wont get more then 6 wins, Bengals will get ten again Ravens get 11 and Browns get 6




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    Quote Originally Posted by madmikey View Post
    They're not really getting rid of any "names". Most of the guys listed were not starters last year. Hampton and Farrior started but became part-time players. McFadden lost his starting job and finished the year at the bottom of the CB list. Battle was a special teamer. Ward was 5th string. Kemo finished as a 3rd stringer but was pressed into duty due to injuries. Smith barely played before getting injured again.

    The only two positions on D where they would have new starters are NT (where McLendon played decently) and ILB (likely Stevenson Sylvester.

    The O would be the same except for the line which was a patchwork last year because of injuries. At the moment the line would likely be:

    Gilbert-Foster-Pouncey-Legursky-Colon (who would cost more to cut than it would to have him play).

    Despite all the talk of a revamp, we're only talking about 2 (and possibly 1 if Foote stays) starters changing. They save most of their money by cutting veteran backups and the rest by renegotiating 2-3 contracts. They will have to replace the cut players with rookies and cheaper vets, but it's easily doable. The team should still contend next year if it can stay healthy.

    If they can't stay healthy they'll be in trouble, but you can say that about most teams.

    That said, the Ravens should win the div. I still see the Steelers finished second and the Bengals 3rd.

    Records are too tough to predict so I wouldn't even want to take a stab at that.

    I was one of those who thought the Eagles would dominate last year and look how that worked out...
    Hampton is definitely the best player listed there, as he had a pretty good season for 13 games. Foote and smith are also good players when healthy. I dont care what you want to call it, but cutting all of your veterans is a youth movement. we did it last year on offense and it struggled for it. The Steelers will have the same growing pains. it does not bode well for them and quite frankly their record was better than they played last year. I expect a drop off. Those "veteran depth" players are who won those 2 superbowls, dont forget that. these young players havent proven anything.

    Im also not so sure these restructured contracts are guaranteed to happen. Woodley just signed last year, im not sure its that great of a benefit for him to restructure at this juncture.
    Last edited by JAB1985; 01-27-2012 at 09:59 AM.
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