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Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...
I'm not arguing that he is a good player.
The question was more along the lines of why the value of MLB has dropped in the last couple of years. Timmons was picked 15th overall...10 spots above Jon Beason and several spots/rounds above Poz, Harris, and Bishop. If a team who needs multiple things is starting at a MLB with a top 20 pick do they take him? Is he really worth a top 20 pick? History has shown that you can get starting quality MLB's from round 2 on and they are A LOT cheaper to sign and carry a fraction of the expectation weight that 1st round picks do.
If you go to any Steeler board you will find multiple folks who don't think Timmons is worth the 15th overall pick that he was taken at.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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01-24-2012, 03:42 PM #86
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Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...
If Hightower and Kuechly are gone, but Burfict and Mike Adams (OT Ohio State) are still there, I take Mike Adams. However, if Adams is gone, then I take Burfict. I like Nick Perry, but at 6'3" 250 lbs, he would have to be converted to an OLB. Whitney Mercilus on the other hand, would be very tempting.
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Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...
I have a hard time seeing the Ravens passing him up if he is there.
Sergio Kindle literally mapped out his drunk driving route that ended with his car in the side of a building and him fleeing the scene. And we're gonna pass up the best prospect since Patrick Willis because he got a couple of personal fouls this year?
I think Ozzie has proved that BPA is going to stick regardless of 'character issues'.
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Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...
Kindle is exactly the reason why they are going to be extra careful.
For the Ravens to draft him 28 other teams have to not see him as the best prospect at the position since Patrick Willis. If it's just a couple of personal fouls wouldn't he go in the top 10 or at worst in the top 15? For Burfict to fall to the Ravens there has to be some serious doubts about him because he's so talented. If those doubts are there wouldn't the Ravens have them as well?
Either he's Dez Bryant or he's gone long before the Ravens draft.
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01-24-2012, 05:00 PM #89
Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...
His problem is he lets his emotions get the best of him on the field. He takes his aggression after the whistle, and he's had an incredible amount of penalties after the whistle. That's pretty much his problem. He's got some suh in him. Off the field, all you hear is that he's a shy, meek kid. But when the helmet comes on he's a different guy. He cost his team a lot of yards in penalties, and he really honestly didn't play that well this year.... Simple as that, if he played this season like he played last year he would bet a top 10 pick even with the penalties.
I'd rather have that on the field, than off the field.Lardarius "The predator" Webb
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Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...
My point is that if he is a great prospect he's not falling to 29. We all know he has a lot of talent so it's going to have to be other things that cause him to fall. I don't think anyone can assume that issues that matter to other GMs don't matter to Ozzie.
The issue is risk. How much risk, guaranteed money, are you willing to assume for the player? When you have a high level prospect the less risk the higher he's going to go. That's why Dez Bryant went to the bottom of the draft but Julio Jones who had a broken foot was worth trading half a draft to get.
Which case does Burifict fall into? If he's Bryant are the Ravens willing to risk 1st round money? If he's Jones there is no way he falls to 29.
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01-24-2012, 05:22 PM #91Veteran Poster
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01-24-2012, 05:30 PM #92
Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...
With the Ravens, they do their homework, they go the extra mile when it comes to character. That is why they drafted Jimmy Smith, and its proving to be a good decision.
They wont draft a guy unless they feel comfortable with him. That we know for sure.
Fact is, the only team's that need a MLB are Philly, and the Jets. If he gets past either of those teams, he will most likely fall to us. NY was another team that need a LB but they are in the Superbowl.
Again i keep saying for Hightower, and Burfict. The combine will either make, or Lose money for them. They could go anywhere from 15, to the 2nd round. Guys like that the combine is where they make their mark. If Burfict has a good combine, trust me, no way he makes it to us. I cant say the same for Hightower, but i promise you this, if Hightower runs a 4.6 or less, he wont make it into the 2nd round.Lardarius "The predator" Webb
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Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...
I'll just say I disagree...I think he was worth that spot and is by far the most underrated player on that Steeler defense. I don't think Boz or Bishop are in his league as a player.
As far as what you're saying about value, well, I agree. I'd also say though that you could probably do the same study about most positions that aren't OL or DT. So really, it's just a matter of what the scouts see...and we have some of the best there are. If they don't want to roll the dice on a first round ILB, I'm ok with that, but I really think getting one early this year is important...especially if McClain leaves as a UFA.
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Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...
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Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...
Could you, or could you not, say the exact same thing heading into their respective drafts about Jimmy Smith, and to a lesser extend (and different reasons) Michael Oher?
It's very possible he's there at 29 and Ozzie feels comfortable taking him there. I would not dismiss it at all.
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Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...
I think Ozzie looks to trade down this year. I could see him moving back into the mid 30s , and targeting one of the ILBs or Cs who slips a bit, and taking the extra pick. Fact is, our biggest needs are ILB, S, C imo. Those are three positions that are often underrated in the draft because they aren't "sexy."
It's still BPA of course but I think he looks to move down ala 2010.
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