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    Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...



    With the way the league is going if we take a lb in the first round the guy has to be a stud in coverage. Not sure how Burfict and Hightower are rated in coverage. If Hightower does not fit the bill and the Ravens are not confident in Burfict mentally I hope they take an offensive lineman.




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    Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...

    Hightower should be number one on their list and the only player that would come close would be his teammate Upshaw, who will likely go before him. Hightower has EVERYTHING you would want in an ILB. He can tackle, shed blocks, diagnose plays, has size, blitz from the inside and outside, good character, winning pedigree, hits with authority, etc.

    This isn't Ellerbe, who doesn't put in the work during the week to maximize his potential. This isn't McClain who was known for hitting the hole timidly, more of a reactive tackler. This isn't Burfict, who would draw a penalty faster than a Doc Holliday draws his gun.

    Thank goodness we have Ozzie as the GM, because you better believe Hightower is at the top of his list.
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    If we are talking linebackers only, I like Hightower over Burfict. I think if we look at the AFCCG yesterday, we beat those guys in most facets of the game. They won the most important battle, the score, and were better in the kicking game. The other area where I think they outplayed us is on the offensive line. I think we need to make some changes and if we get a shot at a great o lineman in the draft, we should take him.




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    Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    Hightower should be number one on their list and the only player that would come close would be his teammate Upshaw, who will likely go before him. Hightower has EVERYTHING you would want in an ILB. He can tackle, shed blocks, diagnose plays, has size, blitz from the inside and outside, good character, winning pedigree, hits with authority, etc.

    This isn't Ellerbe, who doesn't put in the work during the week to maximize his potential. This isn't McClain who was known for hitting the hole timidly, more of a reactive tackler. This isn't Burfict, who would draw a penalty faster than a Doc Holliday draws his gun.

    Thank goodness we have Ozzie as the GM, because you better believe Hightower is at the top of his list.
    His blitzing ability from the outside is extremely underated. Honestly he has the size to play any LB spot in a 3-4 Defense. No brainer if he is still there when we pick. I just have a feeling Burfict will be taken later, and no chance Hightower gets past both Philly, NY, and Pitt.




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    Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...

    Burfict is fast and good in coverage (has nice height for those huge TEs too) from what I've seen, but I saw him strugfle to get off blocks more than a few times this year.




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    Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...

    How about Nick Perry from USC? Heard he is a great pass rusher, one we can use opposite of Suggs.




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    Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...

    We don't need another pass rusher since Kruger's emergence, we need an ILB which has been ignored too long with these UDFA types like McClain, Ellerbe.




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    Quote Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85 View Post
    We don't need another pass rusher since Kruger's emergence, we need an ILB which has been ignored too long with these UDFA types like McClain, Ellerbe.
    You guys think we need a LB after watching the OL performance for the past 2 weeks?




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    Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    Jimmys "problems" were when he was a freshman and they were off the field. Burficts are still happening and are on the field problems. As great as he could be i bet hes taken off or rated extremely low on their board.

    I think Hightower and Upshaw are the guys being mentioned most. ILB are rarely taken in the first round and usually OLB are only take when theyre extreme pass rushers. Not sure what that means for these guys but i could easily see us having our choice of ILB at 29.
    This post is very misleading.

    Last year people were touting Burfict as the best MLB prospect since Patrick Willis and Ray Lewis. He didn't have any issues last season.

    This season the coaching staff was in upheaval and there were other guys who had issues far worse than Burfict. For example, I believe their starting DE this year has been dismissed from the program for failure to follow team rules for a 3rd or 4th time.

    Burfict is super aggressive and after committing a personal foul on a player the coaching staff pulled him off the field for the rest of the game. IIRC, ASU could have potentially won that game and why pull one of your best players over a penalty? The point is there was friction there prior to this season and realistically it was only this season that Burfict had troubles.

    Nutcase? No. I don't see that. I see a kid who basically just lost respect for his coaching staff and copped an attitude towards them. However, Dennis Erickson let it happen. He definitely didn't handle that situation correctly, IMO.

    Then, I think you have to consider the locker room presence here in Baltimore and how that impacts Burfict. How does playing beside Ray Lewis and having guys like Lewis and Suggs (also went to ASU) in his ear about staying in control of your emotions and letting your play do the talking? Those are legit questions that need to be asked because Burfict is the best MLB prospect in this draft until you factor in him telling his coaches at ASU to fuck off. He's 6'3" 250lbs, can run with anyone, hits like Mack truck, causes fumbles, tackles well, and rushes the passer extremely well. Had he come out last year, he would have been a top 20 pick easily.

    I think this could be a good opportunity for the Ravens to snatch up a guy with incredible upside and talent and let coaches like Harbs and Pagano school him on how to be a professional.

    We're not talking about a kid who has been arrested multiple times for rape, drugs, theft, DUI's or anything like that. We're not talking about a kid who was failing classes left and right and violating team rules for meetings and whatnot. We're talking about a kid who needs to be taught how to harness his aggressiveness and temper his attitude. He needs to be humbled and he needs a mentor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duffybr View Post
    You guys think we need a LB after watching the OL performance for the past 2 weeks?
    I don't think it's an either or question. In the first and second rounds I expect the team to draft ILB/OL according to the best player available mantra. This might mean ILB first and OL second or it might be the other way around. OL, DL, LB, RB, and WR are going to be the the positions we pursue through the draft.


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    Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...

    Quote Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85 View Post
    We don't need another pass rusher since Kruger's emergence, we need an ILB which has been ignored too long with these UDFA types like McClain, Ellerbe.
    This team absolutely needs another pass rusher.

    The Packers got to the SB last year because they had a vicious pass rush with Clay Matthews and Cullen Jenkins. They let Jenkins go and Matthews became the only pass rusher. Their defense suffered for it.

    The Ravens have got to find someone who can rush the passer besides Suggs. Kruger has done a good job and maybe he can handle it, but he's still somewhat of a liability against the run and who knows how effective he'd be as an every down OLB. Kindle couldn't even make it onto the field this season. Who knows with him, though I am hopeful because the talent is there for Kindle.

    The Ravens need to find a DT who can rush the passer and collapse the pocket from the inside like Redding did the 1st half of the season. Redding was a BIG reason for the defensive success this season and when he tapered off towards the end of the year, so did McPhee, so did Ngata, and so did Suggs. The problem is outside of Ngata and Suggs, no one on the DL really scares anyone. Get another guy that can rush the passer with a force and you'd see a major improvement from Suggs and Ngata.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    This post is very misleading.

    Last year people were touting Burfict as the best MLB prospect since Patrick Willis and Ray Lewis. He didn't have any issues last season.

    This season the coaching staff was in upheaval and there were other guys who had issues far worse than Burfict. For example, I believe their starting DE this year has been dismissed from the program for failure to follow team rules for a 3rd or 4th time.

    Burfict is super aggressive and after committing a personal foul on a player the coaching staff pulled him off the field for the rest of the game. IIRC, ASU could have potentially won that game and why pull one of your best players over a penalty? The point is there was friction there prior to this season and realistically it was only this season that Burfict had troubles.

    Nutcase? No. I don't see that. I see a kid who basically just lost respect for his coaching staff and copped an attitude towards them. However, Dennis Erickson let it happen. He definitely didn't handle that situation correctly, IMO.

    Then, I think you have to consider the locker room presence here in Baltimore and how that impacts Burfict. How does playing beside Ray Lewis and having guys like Lewis and Suggs (also went to ASU) in his ear about staying in control of your emotions and letting your play do the talking? Those are legit questions that need to be asked because Burfict is the best MLB prospect in this draft until you factor in him telling his coaches at ASU to fuck off. He's 6'3" 250lbs, can run with anyone, hits like Mack truck, causes fumbles, tackles well, and rushes the passer extremely well. Had he come out last year, he would have been a top 20 pick easily.

    I think this could be a good opportunity for the Ravens to snatch up a guy with incredible upside and talent and let coaches like Harbs and Pagano school him on how to be a professional.

    We're not talking about a kid who has been arrested multiple times for rape, drugs, theft, DUI's or anything like that. We're not talking about a kid who was failing classes left and right and violating team rules for meetings and whatnot. We're talking about a kid who needs to be taught how to harness his aggressiveness and temper his attitude. He needs to be humbled and he needs a mentor.
    Totally agree. Thinking about Burfict in purple and black is one of the only things that has gotten a smile to crack my face today.


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    Ellerbe was so noticeably bad yesterday ILB is def a need, I would say hightower. but best player available. Also we gotta kick up our run game and protection. our line is collapsing the middle and they get no push. Ray runs up the gut every play and if he isn't going to follow leach we need someone in the center that can hold up. i would honustly out oher back on the left with reid in at right if we dont pick up some stud LT somewhere else.




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    Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    This post is very misleading.

    Last year people were touting Burfict as the best MLB prospect since Patrick Willis and Ray Lewis. He didn't have any issues last season.

    This season the coaching staff was in upheaval and there were other guys who had issues far worse than Burfict. For example, I believe their starting DE this year has been dismissed from the program for failure to follow team rules for a 3rd or 4th time.

    Burfict is super aggressive and after committing a personal foul on a player the coaching staff pulled him off the field for the rest of the game. IIRC, ASU could have potentially won that game and why pull one of your best players over a penalty? The point is there was friction there prior to this season and realistically it was only this season that Burfict had troubles.

    Nutcase? No. I don't see that. I see a kid who basically just lost respect for his coaching staff and copped an attitude towards them. However, Dennis Erickson let it happen. He definitely didn't handle that situation correctly, IMO.

    Then, I think you have to consider the locker room presence here in Baltimore and how that impacts Burfict. How does playing beside Ray Lewis and having guys like Lewis and Suggs (also went to ASU) in his ear about staying in control of your emotions and letting your play do the talking? Those are legit questions that need to be asked because Burfict is the best MLB prospect in this draft until you factor in him telling his coaches at ASU to fuck off. He's 6'3" 250lbs, can run with anyone, hits like Mack truck, causes fumbles, tackles well, and rushes the passer extremely well. Had he come out last year, he would have been a top 20 pick easily.

    I think this could be a good opportunity for the Ravens to snatch up a guy with incredible upside and talent and let coaches like Harbs and Pagano school him on how to be a professional.

    We're not talking about a kid who has been arrested multiple times for rape, drugs, theft, DUI's or anything like that. We're not talking about a kid who was failing classes left and right and violating team rules for meetings and whatnot. We're talking about a kid who needs to be taught how to harness his aggressiveness and temper his attitude. He needs to be humbled and he needs a mentor.
    Whats misleading? The guy has committed numerous personal fouls, doesnt respect his coaches, and has a history of taking cheap shots. Those have all been shown on the field. nothing i said hasnt been said before and i didnt claim that he had any legal issues. in his case its solely on the field. I dont care if he does or doesnt like his coach, but he needs to listen to him. including when his coach asks him to come off the field instead of completely ignoring him. You want a guy that if he feels upset with the coaching staff thinks he can just ignore them? sorry but thats not a Raven. I think hes a special talent (his closing speed may be the best ive seen), and just may be a great player (if hes under control and learns to not tackle leading with his head) but i dont see the risk worthy in the first round, personally. I think youre going to have a guy that extends drives with dumb non disciplined plays. Our locker room could help him, but if he doesnt listen to coaches it certainly wont. Jimmy coming out had every bit of a first round grade, there were just questions about his character. Burfict has no character issues but certainly has issues with the way he plays. A lot of the Mock Drafts Ive seen dont even have him being drafted in the first round for this very reason. I wouldnt be completely upset if we drafted him, but id prefer using a 2nd on him than our first. If Ozzie says hes the pick than ill expect theyve done their research but from what little ive seen theres red flags around this kid and im not the first to have said/seen it.
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    Re: If the Ravens can't get Vontaze Burfict...

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    Whats misleading? The guy has committed numerous personal fouls, doesnt respect his coaches, and has a history of taking cheap shots. Those have all been shown on the field. nothing i said hasnt been said before and i didnt claim that he had any legal issues. in his case its solely on the field. I dont care if he does or doesnt like his coach, but he needs to listen to him. including when his coach asks him to come off the field instead of completely ignoring him. You want a guy that if he feels upset with the coaching staff thinks he can just ignore them? sorry but thats not a Raven. I think hes a special talent (his closing speed may be the best ive seen), and just may be a great player (if hes under control and learns to not tackle leading with his head) but i dont see the risk worthy in the first round, personally. I think youre going to have a guy that extends drives with dumb non disciplined plays. Our locker room could help him, but if he doesnt listen to coaches it certainly wont. Jimmy coming out had every bit of a first round grade, there were just questions about his character. Burfict has no character issues but certainly has issues with the way he plays. A lot of the Mock Drafts Ive seen dont even have him being drafted in the first round for this very reason. I wouldnt be completely upset if we drafted him, but id prefer using a 2nd on him than our first. If Ozzie says hes the pick than ill expect theyve done their research but from what little ive seen theres red flags around this kid and im not the first to have said/seen it.
    It was misleading because your post does not include the simple fact that these problems surfaced THIS season...it's not like they were issues last year or the year before.
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