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    Re: If the Defense had forced a few more three and outs...



    The defense played as well as can be expected, the offense played worse than expected. No other way around it. Flacco played well enough. The running game was bad, but the Pats were playing the run (at least early and on 1st downs). It was an absolute miracle the defense weathered the 1st quarter storm. To start the game our offense did a Jacksonville Jaguar impersonation for 3 straight drives (all horrific 3 and outs) allowing the Patriots to start at their 40, 39 and 40, and the defense held them to 3. That could have been 9 to 17 points easily, even against 'good' defenses.

    After those first 3 drives the offense showed some life until the 4th quarter, but settling for FGs was a killer, as was the pick, the horrible run on 3rd and 3 for -3, and the subsequent throwaway on 4th and 6. And I won't even get into the last series.




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    Re: If the Defense had forced a few more three and outs...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay D83 View Post
    But Evans (and God KNOWS I'm NOT trying to defend him) wouldn't have BEEN in that situation if the Defense had forced a few more 3 and outs. Hell, the Pats kneeled going into halftime with a minute and time outs left! That should've told them right there Marcia wasn't really feeling 'it' today. I guess I just get tired of people always giving this 'vaunted D' excuses when we lose but always pile it on everybody else.
    The defense was horrible! How dare they let them score ANY points. Every game should be a shut-out.




  3. #33

    Re: If the Defense had forced a few more three and outs...

    Quote Originally Posted by Teavo View Post
    But it's not unreasonable to say they fell a little short of expectations.
    Yes it is, assuming one has realistic expectations.




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    Re: If the Defense had forced a few more three and outs...

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    The defense played as well as can be expected, the offense played worse than expected. No other way around it. Flacco played well enough. The running game was bad, but the Pats were playing the run (at least early and on 1st downs). It was an absolute miracle the defense weathered the 1st quarter storm. To start the game the offense did a Jacksonville Jaguar impersonation for 3 straight drives allowing the Patriots to start at their 40, 39 and 40, and the defense held them to 3. That could have been 9 to 17 points easily, even against 'good' defenses.

    After those first 3 drives the offense showed some life until the 4th quarter, but settling for FGs was a killer, as was the pick, the horrible run on 3rd and 3 for -3, and the subsequent throwaway on 4th and 6. And I won't even get into the last series.
    Thank you for your response. This is how you disagree with someone respectfully (without being a condescending, sarcastic douchebag). I absolutely see your point. T4P!




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    Re: If the Defense had forced a few more three and outs...

    9 Drives, four that ended with punts or turnovers....the Patriots were 5 for 11 on third down..that's not great but it's not bad...that's pretty decent when you play a team averaging almost 32 points and 428 yards a game..the d gave up 23 points and 330 yards..they gave up a lot between the twenties but traded field goals for TDs...if Evans holds on to the ball it's a different conversation....

    Flacco was more than good enough....three more drops and piss poor protection....some people just won't let it go, gotta bash Joe no matter what....




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    Re: If the Defense had forced a few more three and outs...

    Yeah, we could have just held Brady to several more 3 and outs. Fantastic. We also should have scored 50 points and Flacco should have had 600 yards passing.
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    Re: If the Defense had forced a few more three and outs...

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    Yes it is, assuming one has realistic expectations.
    I do. For one thing I expected our pass rush to get to Brady more than they did, and for the DL to slow the (weak) Patriots running game more than they did. Or were you satisfied with the performance of the defensive line? If so, why?

    As a whole unit the defense played well. But that doesn't mean it was uniformly successful.




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    Re: If the Defense had forced a few more three and outs...

    Quote Originally Posted by Teavo View Post
    I do. For one thing I expected our pass rush to get to Brady more than they did. Or were you satisfied with the performance of the defensive line? If so, why?

    As a whole unit the defense played well. But that doesn't mean it was uniformly successful.
    You said the defense (as a whole) could 'reasonably' be accused of falling 'a little short of expectations.' I am not sure how that can be the case when you admit they played well. They held the Pats to 9 points (28%) less than their scoring average. They were given relatively short fields for the first 3 drives of the game (and after the pick). They forced 2 turnovers. Could they have played better? Of course. They could have shut them out, but the issue is whether it is 'reasonable' to 'expect' them to perform better than 'well.'

    The offense, on the other hand, was facing a defense that allowed 21.4 pts per game, and finished with 20 pts, and was 'given' 3 pts from a special teams turnover inside FG range. Obviously our special teams cost the offense 3 points as well.

    Every player, unit and coach could have performed better. But some played up to or better than can be reasonably expected. Like Flacco, and like the defense as a whole.

    In my opinion.

    As for the pass rush, Brady was getting rid of it pretty quickly, plus they were running it a lot (due to us being geared to stop the pass). But yes it could have performed better, but Brady was held in check regardless of the pass rush.




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