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    Re: The rule of 26-27-60 and how it relates to Flacco



    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Interesting Article:
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ule/index.html
    In Tony's blog article he discusses how there is the possibility that Flacco just may not be intelligent enough to handle the entire playbook, make reads/audibles at the LOS, and think quickly.
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    Edit- if you can show me where Tony said Joe lacked the intelligence to do any of the things you just mentioned be my guest.

    Nowhere in that blog did Tony say any such thing

    Here is the part you were referring to..I think.

    Is he capable of change or is his quarterback incapable of embracing and/or processing the change? Would all those bunch sets, rubs, multiple personnel packages, etc help or hurt Flacco?
    I guess in some convoluted way you could get what you claim he said out of that, but he clearly wasn't saying anything about his intelligence.

    I will point out, once again that Cosell watched ONE GAME. But again let's overlook that key detail to further our Cam agenda.
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    Re: The rule of 26-27-60 and how it relates to Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by 52decleetzu View Post
    Edit- if you cdan show me where Tony said Joe lacked the intelligence to do any of the things you just mentioned be my guest.

    Don't put words into people's mouths.

    Nowhere in that blog did Tony say any such thing

    Here is the part you were referring to..I think.



    I guess in some convoluted way you could get what you claim he said out of that, but he clearly wasn't saying anything about his intelligence.

    I will point out, once again that Cosell watched ONE GAME. But again let's overlook that key detail to further our Cam agenda.
    What so someone else starts a thread about stats and your ears perk up? Step on your territory dude?

    I wasn't putting words in Tony's mouth. He makes a point that the feeling might be that Flacco doesn't have the head to digest the Playbook efficiently enough to be given the freedom that others have. If anything Tony's article made me interested in what Flacco scored on his wonderlic, so I searched and found that article and thought it might inspire some other discussion besides the standard "Ravens can't win" threads...so my bad for that. Next time I will clear it with you first.

    Or how about I start a thread supporting about a school telling kids that the because they aren't Ravens fans and don't want to wear purple they can't hang out with their friends at a party? Or better yet why dont I start a thread about how I hope Bernard Pollard injures a Patriot on the field?

    Give me a break. If Tony is offended by my post then he can let me know. He knows me and he can come tell me so.

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    Re: The rule of 26-27-60 and how it relates to Flacco

    52-

    Furthermore, Greg Cosell was commenting on the Houston game in particular, but you would be a fool to think that is the only game involving Cam that he has reviewed.

    Frankly, I will take Cosell's opinion over yours any day of the week.

    Stop hijacking this threads. It wasn't even about Cam so much as it was about a correlation between the wonderlic, starts, and completion percentage and success in the NFL.
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    Re: The rule of 26-27-60 and how it relates to Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    Interesting but not sure if it means much.. Marino scored 16 on his wunderlic and was one of the greatest NFL QBs ever; although he was a 4 year starter at Pitt with 100+ ratings each year
    Agree and like I said I don't think it means much, I just thought it was interesting.
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    Re: The rule of 26-27-60 and how it relates to Flacco

    Tony said nothing of the sort.

    Period.

    That came out of YOUR mind/mouth, not his.

    And I could careless about you starting a "stat thread". One that Luke just destroyed with his link, no less.

    But go ahead, just say it and make yourself look foolish. Flacco is too dumb to audible. What he did 12 time last week.




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    Re: The rule of 26-27-60 and how it relates to Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    52-

    Furthermore, Greg Cosell was commenting on the Houston game in particular, but you would be a fool to think that is the only game involving Cam that he has reviewed.

    Frankly, I will take Cosell's opinion over yours any day of the week.

    Stop hijacking this threads. It wasn't even about Cam so much as it was about a correlation between the wonderlic, starts, and completion percentage and success in the NFL.
    Go back and look at the Cosell quote and tell me exactly what he said. He said I reviewed the TEXANS GAME. Not a bunch of games...the TEXANS GAME.

    And I am "hijacking threads" because I disagree with you? LOL that is hilarious.




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    Re: The rule of 26-27-60 and how it relates to Flacco

    In Tony's blog article he discusses how there is the possibility that Flacco just may not be intelligent enough to handle the entire playbook, make reads/audibles at the LOS, and think quickly.
    Show me where

    -Joe is not intelligent enough
    -Joe can't handle the entire playbook
    -Joe can't think quickly.

    is discussed.

    THIS IS A QB WHO HAS HAD THE BEST FIRST 4 YEARS OF PRETTY MUCH ANYONE NOT NAME BRADY OR ROETHLISBERGER, AND WE TALK ABOUT HIM LIKE HE IS SOME BUM WHO HAS SUCKED FOR 4 FUCKING YEARS.

    Sorry I have to yell but my head is about to explode.




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    Re: The rule of 26-27-60 and how it relates to Flacco

    List of QB's too stupid to process information quickly who can't handle an NFL playbook.

    12. Matt Hasselbeck 29

    12. Marc Bulger 29

    12. Brady Quinn 29

    15. Mark Sanchez 28

    15. Peyton Manning 28

    15. Drew Brees 28

    18. Josh Freeman 27

    18. Joe Flacco 27

    20. Carson Palmer 26

    20. Jay Cutler 26

    20. Kyle Orton 26

    23. Ben Roethlisberger 25

    24. Jason Campbell 23

    25. Brett Favre 22

    25. Tim Tebow 22

    25. Chad Henne 22

    28. Bruce Gradkowski 19

    29. Vince Young 15

    30. Donovan McNabb 14

    30. David Garrard 14

    Unknown: Matt Cassel, Matt Moore

    Top quarterback prospects in 2010 NFL draft

    Sam Bradford, Oklahoma 36

    Colt McCoy, Texas 25

    Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame 23

    Tebow 22

    Other Wonderlic scores of note:

    Brian Griese 39

    Drew Bledsoe 36

    Steve Young 33

    John Elway 29

    Chad Pennington 25

    JaMarcus Russell 24

    Mark Brunell 22

    Trent Dilfer 22

    Michael Vick 20

    Daunte Culpepper 18

    Dan Marino 15

    Randall Cunningham 15

    Jim Kelly 15

    Terry Bradshaw 15

    Chris Leak 8




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    Re: The rule of 26-27-60 and how it relates to Flacco

    Feel better now?
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    Re: The rule of 26-27-60 and how it relates to Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by Beau Petard View Post
    wicked--
    Thanks for the interesting slant on those numbers. I do agree that they are not necessarily a predictor, but likely offer a good way for NFL teams to factor in another variable in how to assess the future success of guys at QB. Plus, teams have x amount of resources, including time, to perform these evaluations before they have to draft, so it makes sense to me to use these things as a way to get a handle on who are your prime targets for acquisition, in which round, who else might be interested and impact upon your own selections, etc.

    And NCR, your post got me to thinking about my thread on the Ravens and Flacco as far as my lack of understanding about quick release patterns and the whole "Why doesn't Flacco pass 'better'?" Filmstudy offered some good thoughts on this as well in his thread, and I'm starting to wonder if the whole offense needs a fresh look at some point. Obviously it's not doing too bad, given that it's headed into the AFC Championship, so I can't be too harsh with my criticisms, but I have to wonder how the team will "improve" the offense over the next few seasons.
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    WCO is said to be extremely complicated. If Joe struggles with this, not sure why many want to bring in a west coast style.
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    Re: The rule of 26-27-60 and how it relates to Flacco

    The Air Coryell can work. They just need to modify a little, so that there are some shorter routes available when the team needs to come from behind or force the safeties up.
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    Re: The rule of 26-27-60 and how it relates to Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by 52decleetzu View Post
    Show me where

    -Joe is not intelligent enough
    -Joe can't handle the entire playbook
    -Joe can't think quickly.

    is discussed.

    THIS IS A QB WHO HAS HAD THE BEST FIRST 4 YEARS OF PRETTY MUCH ANYONE NOT NAME BRADY OR ROETHLISBERGER, AND WE TALK ABOUT HIM LIKE HE IS SOME BUM WHO HAS SUCKED FOR 4 FUCKING YEARS.

    Sorry I have to yell but my head is about to explode.
    If you're going to pick and choose what you want to blow up about then I don't know what to tell you except go beat off and have a beer or something. Blow off some steam or something dude or you're going to give yourself a coronary.

    Follow me here...

    1. Tony's article MADE ME THINK of all the folks who would claim that Joe was not capable of making quick reads and handling a complicated offense because of a lack of football intelligence, etc. The statements from players that kind of make blanket statements that Cam doesn't let Flacco have full control of the offense may (OR MAY NOT) give some sort of credence to those who do actually think and believe that to be the case. Until Flacco functions under another OC, no one can really know.

    *DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT THINK JOE FLACCO IS INCAPABLE OR UNINTELLIGENT.

    2. The folks who talk about him like he is some kind of bum are knuckleheads who obviously don't know what they're talking about.

    *DISCLAIMER: I AM CONSIDERED A FLACCO APOLOGIST ON THIS FORUM BY MANY SO I FAIL TO SEE WHY YOU ARE FREAKING OUT
    ON ME KNOWING FULL WELL THAT IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM HAVE I EVER BEEN ONE TO TRASH FLACCO.

    3. Tony's blog made me think, I did some googling and found that article. It seemed interesting to me and thought it would inspire some different discussion in the midst of a bunch of anti-Ravens threads started by Patriots' Trolls.

    4. Luke Daniel's link came back as an "Article Removed" so I'm not sure what it said, but if it refuted what the article is stating then right on. I never said that I thought the wonderlic was an indicator of someone who is going to be a good QB. Obviously someone already pointed out that Dan Marino had like a 14 or something. Furthermore, the way I read the article was that scouts will use the wonderlic score in conjunction with the number of collegiate starts and completion percentage.
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    Re: The rule of 26-27-60 and how it relates to Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    WCO is said to be extremely complicated. If Joe struggles with this, not sure why many want to bring in a west coast style.
    I don't really think that anyone is saying or actually thinks that he would struggle with it.
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    Re: The rule of 26-27-60 and how it relates to Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    The Air Coryell can work. They just need to modify a little, so that there are some shorter routes available when the team needs to come from behind or force the safeties up.
    I agree with this, but I don't agree that Cam's version is going to make this offense any better than what they are. The offense has stagnated in some fashion and a lot of that is a result of the schemes and play calling from Cam.
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