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    Re: Two Minutes Left, 80 yards to go. Who Do you Trust More?



    I think it would depend on how each offense was moving the ball up until that point. Impossible to truly answer this question without this info. If Joe is having one of his off days and the pats d has been applying pressure then i would probably want the D on the field. I suppose just to answer the question with no knowledge of how the game was going I would take the offense. No interest in trying to stop maybe the best QB of all time in his backyard with a trip to the SB on the line.




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    Re: Two Minutes Left, 80 yards to go. Who Do you Trust More?

    I'll take the defense because we/they need a touchdown. Red zone efficiency is a tremendous strength of our defense and somewhat of a liability to our offense. I also think our pass rush would excel in a two minute drill because they could pretty much ignore the run and pin their ears back and force Brady to make a mistake.
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    Re: Two Minutes Left, 80 yards to go. Who Do you Trust More?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I think I have a lot more faith in Chuck Pagano in that situation than I did in Pops Mattison.

    Still though, this defense gave up the lead in Atlanta last year, allowed Pittsburgh to convert on a 3rd and forever when the game was on the line, got torched by the Titans, got torched by the Chargers, and allowed the Texans to rack up 95 yards in 1 half on the ground and come back from a 17-3 lead.

    I'm just looking at it from the stance of the Ravens offense is pretty good and the Ravens defense is pretty good. It's pretty balanced overall. The Pats' offense is REALLY good and their defense is so-so.

    I think the Ravens' offense vs the Pats D with the game on the line is a better match up than the Ravens D vs the Pats' O.
    This is how I look at it as well. Great, thought provoking question.
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    Re: Two Minutes Left, 80 yards to go. Who Do you Trust More?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Personally I'd rather be up because I think there is a lot more room for error when you're on offense.

    I mean, a receiver could just flat out drop a game winning TD pass.

    I'd rather be up and have the D on the field.
    Or a ball gets tipped and picked, or a sack strip, etc. I agree, there's a lot of things that can go terribly wrong on a game winning TD drive.

    There's a reason why games like NO-SF, or Flaccos drive against the Steelers are memorable - because they're not common. No one remembers the other much more numerous endings where the offense takes the field with 2 minutes and simply can't get the first down, or the defense slams the door shut with a big sack or a turnover.

    Give me the lead and I'll trust the defense.




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    Re: Two Minutes Left, 80 yards to go. Who Do you Trust More?

    Who do you trust more? What would you feel more comfortable with or have less nerves watching?
    I'd rather be up by 4 and trust that our D will find a way to get it done. It's not that I don't have the trust in Joe to do his part, but my confidence level in our TEs and WRs this year is shaky and to me they pose the bigger risk of failure.




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    Re: Two Minutes Left, 80 yards to go. Who Do you Trust More?

    In terms of odds, I'd rather have the lead.

    Also the context could play a role -- how many minutes has the D been on the field to this point? What's the score -- 10-6 or 48-44? It matters because I want to know how the D has been playing in that particular game to that point.

    But if you ask me who is more likely to prevail there IN GENERAL, I'd say the offense, based on tomorrows matchup. The defense has been burned too often by 2 minute drills in the past.




  7. #22

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    As a pats fan, give me brady down by 4, TD to win, anyday...against any defense in foxboro. He's second to none in that situation..and if I'm taking a loss, that's the situation I want it in..with our best foot forward.




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    Re: Two Minutes Left, 80 yards to go. Who Do you Trust More?

    As a pats fan, give me brady down by 4, TD to win, anyday...against any defense in foxboro. He's second to none in that situation..and if I'm taking a loss, that's the situation I want it in..with our best foot forward.
    If I were a Pats fan, I would have to agree with you. Your Brady led offense is your strength thus your greatest chance of success.




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    Re: Two Minutes Left, 80 yards to go. Who Do you Trust More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Welka_fan View Post
    As a pats fan, give me brady down by 4, TD to win, anyday...against any defense in foxboro. He's second to none in that situation..and if I'm taking a loss, that's the situation I want it in..with our best foot forward.
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    Re: Two Minutes Left, 80 yards to go. Who Do you Trust More?

    I would want the lead. Every time. There is no guarantee you are going to score, and there is no guarantee the other team is going to score. The only guarantee at that point is that you have a four point lead. I'll take that guarantee.




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    Re: Two Minutes Left, 80 yards to go. Who Do you Trust More?

    Really interesting question, I'm gonna go ahead and answer this generally and not just in this AFCCG situation because this is too interesting to just look at today's game.

    Give me defense 9/10 times. The difference between the Ravens O and D is that 2 out of 3 of this defense's primary strengths (1. stopping the run, 2. creating turnovers, 3. red zone efficiency) are useful in a 2 minute situation. I trust Ngata, Ray, Suggs, Reed (and in fact Webb) to come up with a big play more than I do Joe Flacco to lead a methodical drive because that's what the team is built around.

    In the circumstances you gave against the Patriots this question is wholly different because of how uniquely terrible the Pats' D is. I think this game is the only time I'd choose the 4 point deficit, the difference between the Pats' D and O is so huge that you have to choose to face Arrington, Chung et al - they're so terrible that they go beyond normal thinking in this situation.

    Just btw, for every game winning drive Flacco has led there been a comparable situation where he's failed: the 92 yard drive in Pittsburgh was great but people forget that we were 12-7 down against the Jags with 1 drive left; Joe threw a pick. I'm not a Flacco hater, I just have more confidence in our defense to come up big when it really, really matters.




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    Re: Two Minutes Left, 80 yards to go. Who Do you Trust More?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I think the Ravens' offense vs the Pats D with the game on the line is a better match up than the Ravens D vs the Pats' O.
    If this is the case we might not ever be in a late minute drive. Our defense will have to keep us in the game. So in the end to me unless brady has been marching up and down to bring them back id keep whats working. Same with flacco and the offense. If hes in a rhythym and marching up and down wed be better off with him. Its a great question, i would say defense to hold simply because we have more vets on that side that this means so much more to as well as being better prepared to deal with the pressure. Good debate im just hoping it doesnt come down to that and we have a 2 score lead.

    Nc has a good point though. 2 min drill isnt a steong suit for our d.
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    Re: Two Minutes Left, 80 yards to go. Who Do you Trust More?

    hmmmmm, would I rather put the game in the hands of a top ranked defense or a mediocre offense.......no brainer.




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