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    Re: Here are some Trends/Patterns that I haven't seen much attention paid to ...



    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Era at The U View Post
    I don't know, what was your prediction for that Giants' Super Bowl? Mine was Giants in a close one. I'm guessing that you too were in the clouds with your Pats in a rout mindset.

    I've taken my Pats buddy fan to the cleaners for years on predicting his own team.

    Sorry, I just don't think that the Pats will be able to handle what the Ravens throw at them on Sunday. Keep thinkin' that the sum total of the Ravens is Flacco, Reed, and Lewis.

    I have yet to see one credible analysis how the Pats and their 4.6 YPC D is even going to remotely deal with Rice, the NFL's yards-from-scrimmage leader. I guess that doesn't matter for the reasons you mentioned.

    LOL

    Enjoy the game.
    Let me help you out with the Ray Rice analysis then. I mean I know his stats werent stellar because of injury..but Oakland's McFadden is pretty elite, no? 14 carries, 75 yards? That's a good YPC..but why in the world would oakland abandon an effective run game?

    Lesean Mccoy..towards the top of the league in all statistical categories...eagles were at home...actually up 10-0 early...how do you explain 10 carries for 31 yards?

    I remember Denver being ranked #1 (maybe just because of tebow's bs) rushing...they wre up several possessions early in our first game...but abandoned the run even though it was doing good damage. Is this a trend?

    Neither qb commanded respect. When you present only one real challenge on offense, Belichick can deal...well documented. Throw in Pats O doing their thing and you get stats like that. Isnt that objective?




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    Re: Here are some Trends/Patterns that I haven't seen much attention paid to ...

    I'll take 29 points and a shot of Yukon Jack in foxboro all day long.

    How many times are you going to restate that teams were stacking yardage because they were playing from behind, I guess you didn't watch the last couple of regular season games were the Patsies were playing from behind.
    Again how many times are you going to remind us that Welker was hurt and Brady coming back from injury, if you want to go that route teams play with guys hurt all year long, and O'Yeah Reed has been playing with a pinched nerve in his neck for like 4 years.




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    Re: Here are some Trends/Patterns that I haven't seen much attention paid to ...

    So are you now comparing Flacco to Tebow and Campbell or was a brand new Palmer in for that game.
    You might want to go back and look at situation stats or just continue to argue moot points.
    Denver is so 1 dimensional how could a D not adjust and shut them down. Go ahead and put 7-8 in the box against Flacco, hell throw 9 in there, I would bet a large sum that Flacco would have a field day.
    Come on Dude you come here and try to insult intelligent football fans with your bias points, your not dealing with JETS fans or Steeler fans. Nobody gives a shit about pointless stats of teams that were below average.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sua Sponte View Post
    I'll take 29 points and a shot of Yukon Jack in foxboro all day long.

    How many times are you going to restate that teams were stacking yardage because they were playing from behind, I guess you didn't watch the last couple of regular season games were the Patsies were playing from behind.
    Again how many times are you going to remind us that Welker was hurt and Brady coming back from injury, if you want to go that route teams play with guys hurt all year long, and O'Yeah Reed has been playing with a pinched nerve in his neck for like 4 years.
    I'll state the yardage thing as many times as you guys mention it by saying we're #31. Point of NFL is to score points to win games, so our defense was average 15th? scoring d. Period, end of story, stop trying to make yourselves feel better with the #31 yardage stat lol means absolutely nothing. Can you honestly say yardage allowed is more important then turnovers for a d? or more important then giving up tds/scores? so how are we #31 (something ive seen countless times on this forum)




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    Re: Here are some Trends/Patterns that I haven't seen much attention paid to ...

    Nobody gives a shit if you are 31st or 15th or in the top 5 who we have played against multiple times this year. I guess you forgot that. Ok we will give you 15th which is still supbar from what we have played this year and won.

    Pitt #1 x 2 wins
    Texans #2 x 2 wins
    SF
    Cincy
    I can go on if you'd like. The bottom line is your D is nothing compared to what we have played and O yeah another stat, all of those stellar Offenses that didn't get to play Broncos with horrible D's are home watching the playoffs.
    Your Defense Sucked this year during the regular season, if they play good on Sunday so be it, but they Sucked this year just like the Saints and GB




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sua Sponte View Post
    Nobody gives a shit if you are 31st or 15th or in the top 5 who we have played against multiple times this year. I guess you forgot that. Ok we will give you 15th which is still supbar from what we have played this year and won.

    Pitt #1 x 2 wins
    Texans #2 x 2 wins
    SF
    Cincy
    I can go on if you'd like. The bottom line is your D is nothing compared to what we have played and O yeah another stat, all of those stellar Offenses that didn't get to play Broncos with horrible D's are home watching the playoffs.
    Your Defense Sucked this year during the regular season, if they play good on Sunday so be it, but they Sucked this year just like the Saints and GB
    On a side note, I hate the ravens. I can't wait for brady to send yo a$$s home so I can come here and talk crap lolll.

    But eh, fine, disqualify everyone that we played this year because they aren't all in the playoffs. Doesn't leave much to evaluate as far as the pats' season goes..I mean we shut down all the elite running games we faced, don't know what else you can expect. Some of those teams were playing very well at the time...I mean denver sent pittsburgh home..the eagles wrecked giants before we played them....but thats a long useless argument. Just know you're next.

    Take the purple goggles off for a sec though..this is an away game for Baltimore right? Just like pats, one of the best home teams in league....How've they done away this year?

    Baltimore 13 @ TENN 26. Early in season, one loss, no big deal

    Baltimore 37 @ STL 7...see? no problem..dominated worst team in league/or 2nd worst

    Baltimore 7 @ Jac 12...OK so flacco had another off day...just a letdown game

    Baltimore 23 @ PIT 20...respectable

    BAL 17 @ SEA 22....huh? does this team just suck on the road?

    Baltimore 24 @ CLE 10...

    BAL 14 @ SD 34. Jesus, does the baltimore offense just suck in away games?

    BAL 24 @ CIN 16

    Baltimore offense isnt inconsistent in away games--it just sucks. One good game against injury riddled, terrible rams team...maybe some respect for steelers win. Every single game mattered...winning just 1 more would have given you homefield. Look @ the rest, against some mediocre teams. Best case you're lookin at a low 20-something points from that sample...likely not good enough . pats will roll




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    Hmmm another trend. The Ravens can't beat poor teams on the road. Last time I check the Pats are not a bad team. Is the game here yet? Should be a good one....




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    On that list I see 3 wins against teams with winning records.

    I think you know where I'm going.




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    Re: Here are some Trends/Patterns that I haven't seen much attention paid to ...

    fwiw...the Falcons ran up 42 points against Tampa in the season finale, and were held to 2 (the next week) in the playoffs. offense doesn't always carry over; here's hoping the Pats' won't.
    have the Pats played a D as good as ours this year?
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    ^^Depends who you ask. We faced the jets twice, giants, several other good ds. I think no question your stats are inflated by not having really faced a good offense though....I mean far and away the best offense you faced was SD (having an off year, but somewher ein top 10), and they lit you up.




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    Re: Here are some Trends/Patterns that I haven't seen much attention paid to ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Welka_fan View Post
    On a side note, I hate the ravens. I can't wait for brady to send yo a$$s home so I can come here and talk crap lolll.

    But eh, fine, disqualify everyone that we played this year because they aren't all in the playoffs. Doesn't leave much to evaluate as far as the pats' season goes..I mean we shut down all the elite running games we faced, don't know what else you can expect. Some of those teams were playing very well at the time...I mean denver sent pittsburgh home..the eagles wrecked giants before we played them....but thats a long useless argument. Just know you're next.

    Take the purple goggles off for a sec though..this is an away game for Baltimore right? Just like pats, one of the best home teams in league....How've they done away this year?

    Baltimore 13 @ TENN 26. Early in season, one loss, no big deal

    Baltimore 37 @ STL 7...see? no problem..dominated worst team in league/or 2nd worst

    Baltimore 7 @ Jac 12...OK so flacco had another off day...just a letdown game

    Baltimore 23 @ PIT 20...respectable

    BAL 17 @ SEA 22....huh? does this team just suck on the road?

    Baltimore 24 @ CLE 10...

    BAL 14 @ SD 34. Jesus, does the baltimore offense just suck in away games?

    BAL 24 @ CIN 16

    Baltimore offense isnt inconsistent in away games--it just sucks. One good game against injury riddled, terrible rams team...maybe some respect for steelers win. Every single game mattered...winning just 1 more would have given you homefield. Look @ the rest, against some mediocre teams. Best case you're lookin at a low 20-something points from that sample...likely not good enough . pats will roll
    Ravens play calling was terrible in the losses. Got away from the running game. I don't see that happening in this game unless they get down by two scores early. Ravens offense does not play Brady, it plays your D. Flacco should have a much better game against your D than against Houston's.




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    Re: Here are some Trends/Patterns that I haven't seen much attention paid to ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Welka_fan View Post
    ^^Depends who you ask. We faced the jets twice, giants, several other good ds. I think no question your stats are inflated by not having really faced a good offense though....I mean far and away the best offense you faced was SD (having an off year, but somewher ein top 10), and they lit you up.
    As you've made the excuse for the Ravens winning against you 2 years ago when you were missing Welker, the Ravens were missing Webb, their best cornerback in the SD loss.




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    Good points but the entire game will turn on 3 things, IMO:

    1. Flacco must play well. No way Flacco is throwing 10 passes like he did two years ago. That being the case, he must be sharp. If he has one of his indecisive, throw behind guys, take sacks games, we're cooked.

    2. We must get to Brady. Stats or no stats, this guy will murder you if he gets comfortable. Pagano better have some exotic pressure packages up his sleeve.

    3. If we have the lead at halftime or later, Cam CANNOT take his foot off the gas. He did that last year up there and we saw the result.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Era at The U View Post
    I wrote about 'em here, and there's been some implicit mention here of them, but I've not seen a lot of discussion of them much less any sound analysis on them, although perhaps I missed it here.

    http://www.ravens24x7.com./columns/P...THE-MEDIA-HYPE

    I'll include more detail than I put in the piece, but the fact is that Brady has really been below average in the playoffs since '07 when the Giants beat them in the SB. And FWIW, I was actually on record predicting a very close low scoring game with the Giants having as good a shot at winning as the Pats did due to the matchup. I don't say that to pat myself on the back, I say it because if you ask me, the onus is on the Pats to beat the Ravens, not visa versa as the media is making it out to be.

    Since the divisional game in '07, and discounting last week's game v. D-II Denver, here are Brady's stats:

    2007 AFCCG v. SD: 22 for 33, 66.7%, 209 Yards, 2 TDs, 3 INTs, 66.4 Rating

    2007 SB v. Giants: 29 for 48, 60.4%, 266 Yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs, 82.5 Rating

    2009 WC Game v. Ravens: 23 for 42, 54.8%, 154 Yards, 2 TDs, 3 INTs, 49.1 Rating

    2010 D-Round v. Jets: 29 for 45, 64.4%, 299 Yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 89.0 Rating

    Average game: 232 Yards, 61.3%, 1.75 TDs, 1.5 INTs, 71.8 Rating

    This is not even remotely impressive! For Brady and Mr. "Run up the score against the weak and feeble during the Regular Season" Belicheat, this is horrid!


    Meanwhile, Let's look at the Pats scoring in those same games and we'll include the D-Round Jax game from '07 too:

    '07 D-Round v. Jags: 31 points
    '07 AFCCG v. SD: 21 points
    '07 SB v. Giants: 14 points
    '09 WC Game v. Ravens: 14 points
    '10 D-round Game v. Jets: 21 points

    Of those 20.2 points-per-game, below average by NFL standards, only 10 were in the 1st Quarters of those games, 27 were in the 4th Quarters of those games, meaning that 74 points in those five games were in the first 3 Quarters of play, or fewer than 15 points through 3 Quarters.

    What kind of nimrod thinks this stuff is impressive.

    This season vs. the only two teams that were even close to as good as the Ravens the Pats put up a paltry 17 and 20 points against this season, both times in losses, and with 24 of those 37 points coming in the 4th Quarter as well.

    Then there's the litany of average to fair RBs and RB tandems/trios that hung 100-yards rushing on the Pats all season long. Why on earth would anyone think that Rice/Williams won't get 100-yards easily.

    And if the Pats don't go up early, who's to say that the Ravens can't run up the score first.

    I just don't get it. If I were the Pats and their fans, I'd be wearing brown pants up until game time!

    As I said in the piece, I see no reason why the Pats shouldn't score 27 or more and I don't see why the Pats should score that many, based upon trends/patterns established that are relevant to this game.

    Consider too that the Pats' rushing game and D aren't even as good as they were in '07, '09, and '10.

    The onus is on the Pats to even win this game much less cover a 7 or 7 1/2 point spread.
    Very thorough research but I'm curious....Since a Joe Average like yourself can come up with these numbers, how come the guys who make football their business and livelihood, guys who analyze the sport in every conceivable manner, guys who live and breath football, pegged the Pats as a 7 pt favorite? Since the line hasn't moved since then, the vast majority of the OBJECTIVE betting public has mainly agreed. Or should I trust the ramblings and analysis of an anonymous poster on an Internet message board? To actually think that the Pats will lose based on data as far back as 5 YEARS AGO, when half of the Rosters were different borders on desperation. I'm a realist and believe that the Ravens will lose this game unless they win the Turnover battle in a BIG way. But I supposed you won't stop throwing out immaterial stats until you're blue in the face and convince yourself the Pats have no chance. In that case, call your friends and family and bet the house.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Welka_fan View Post
    Let me help you out with the Ray Rice analysis then. I mean I know his stats werent stellar because of injury..but Oakland's McFadden is pretty elite, no? 14 carries, 75 yards? That's a good YPC..but why in the world would oakland abandon an effective run game?

    Lesean Mccoy..towards the top of the league in all statistical categories...eagles were at home...actually up 10-0 early...how do you explain 10 carries for 31 yards?

    I remember Denver being ranked #1 (maybe just because of tebow's bs) rushing...they wre up several possessions early in our first game...but abandoned the run even though it was doing good damage. Is this a trend?

    Neither qb commanded respect. When you present only one real challenge on offense, Belichick can deal...well documented. Throw in Pats O doing their thing and you get stats like that. Isnt that objective?
    Thanks for your gracious assistance, but I noticed that in your first post to my original content, that all you did was make excuses for why you think the Pats have been pathetic in the playoffs pretty much since '07 and against good teams this year.

    Unfortunately, excuses do not provide invalidate proven facts.




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