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01-18-2012, 11:30 AM #1Rookie Poster
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Comparing the career arcs of Joe Flacco and Eli Manning
Rookie Years
Flacco 60% 2,971YDS 14TD 12INT 6FUM 80.3RAT
Eli (9 games) 48% 1,043YDS 6TD 9INT 2FUM 55.4 RAT
Year 2
Flacco 63.1% 3,613YDS 21TD 12INT 6FUM 88.9RAT
Eli 52.8% 3,762YDS 24TD 17INT 7FUM 75.9RAT
Year 3
Flacco 62.6% 3,622YDS 25TD 10INT 7FUM 93.6RAT
Eli 57.7% 3,244YDS 24TD 18INT 7FUM 77.0RAT
Year 4
Flacco 57.6% 3,610YDS 20TD 10INT 9FUM 80.9RAT
Eli 56.1% 3,336YDS 23TD 20INT 9FUM 73.9RAT
Year 4 was 2007 for Eli. Here's what he did in the playoffs that season, which obviously culminated in a Super Bowl win over the heavily favored Patriots.
@TB 20/27 185YDS 2TD 0INT 117.1RAT
@DAL 12/18 163YDS 2TD 0INT 132.4RAT
@GB(OT) 21/40 251YDS 0TD 0INT 72.0RAT
SB vs NE 19/34 255YDS 2TD 1INT 87.3RAT
Much of the criticisms of Eli to this point were that he's not a locker room leader, bad body language on the field, doesn't take charge, not elite, etc. Now, Eli had a pretty good running game to lean on in 2007 (Brandon Jacobs, Derrick Ward, Ahmad Bradshaw) and an elite defense (53 sacks). He also had good, but not great receivers (Plaxico, Toomer and Shockey). While the rush offense was prolific (2,148 YDS and 4.6/ATT), the pass blocking was mediocre (28 sacks).
Following the SB win, Eli's career took off. 2008 saw notable statistical performance, but I wouldn't call it elite. Then 2009, 2010 and 2011 saw him throw for over 4,000YDS and at least 27TDS each year. Sometimes all it takes is patience and a big win over Tom Brady in the playoffs. Just sayin'...
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01-18-2012, 11:40 AM #2
Re: Comparing the career arcs of Joe Flacco and Eli Manning
Good comparison, but Eli has a ring.
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01-18-2012, 11:42 AM #3
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01-18-2012, 11:42 AM #4
Re: Comparing the career arcs of Joe Flacco and Eli Manning
Hating Steeler Fans Since Birth
Section 126, Row 33
Lets Go Flacco :happyanim
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01-18-2012, 11:41 AM #5
Re: Comparing the career arcs of Joe Flacco and Eli Manning
Here is an article on Ravens.com that also goes over first 4 years in the league with the remaining QB's...He is right on pace with the so-called "elite' QB's.
http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/201...g-playoff-qbs/Hating Steeler Fans Since Birth
Section 126, Row 33
Lets Go Flacco :happyanim
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Re: Comparing the career arcs of Joe Flacco and Eli Manning
Good analysis, but I'm so sick of this QB comparison shit at this point. A few years back you never heard this "elite" QB catch phrase.
Now I can't watch a show or read an article without seeing those words.
It is a media/fantasy football construct that for some reason has caught fire.
I do know 2 "elite" Qbs are at home sitting on their asses though.
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Re: Comparing the career arcs of Joe Flacco and Eli Manning
Fantasy Football is ruining the game, IMHO. If a Qb doesn't put up ridiculous numbers, he's not considered a good one. The NFL has purposely marketed the game to target casual fans and neophytes, hence the changing of the rules to favor offense. That's one reason why discussions about football devolve into schoolyard shouting matches.
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01-18-2012, 11:49 AM #10Rookie Poster
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Re: Comparing the career arcs of Joe Flacco and Eli Manning
I'm not a fan of the "elite" catchphrase or the lack of perspective many fans and pundits exhibit. Ravens52, thank you for pointing out what I thought would be obvious to everyone.
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Re: Comparing the career arcs of Joe Flacco and Eli Manning
You would think if Joe wins a SB this year it would quiet critics, but it won't.
Eli still got criticized after he won his SB. Hell he threw 25 INTs last year. The only reason his stats blew up this year is their running fell to shit for a good chunk of the season.
Winning a SB still won't silence Joe's critics. But I don't really care - I just want the SB.
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01-18-2012, 11:57 AM #12
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