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    Re: Advanced NFL Stats crushes the Sun, calls out Preston



    Quote Originally Posted by edtude View Post
    Ray Rice still has a major problem in running North/South! He cuts back far too much instead of just getting what is in front of him
    Cuts back way too much?? Why do you think the Ravens studied houston zone run blocking scheme last off season? To create cutback lanes and spring Rice free. It appears you make this comment based on last week's game alone and yes he had a bad day but to categorize this as a trend is way off the mark.




  2. Re: Advanced NFL Stats crushes the Sun, calls out Preston

    I wonder if anyone read Preston's recent Q & A. He seemed a bit chippy in response to a question about calling out Ed Reed and Ray Lewis before the playoffs.

    He basically said that he asks the tough questions that his colleagues won't ask. He doesn't care he has a job to do - blah blah blah.

    I found it pretty funny.

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...,1131486.story




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    Re: Advanced NFL Stats crushes the Sun, calls out Preston

    Quote Originally Posted by pslholder96 View Post
    Cuts back way too much?? Why do you think the Ravens studied houston zone run blocking scheme last off season? To create cutback lanes and spring Rice free. It appears you make this comment based on last week's game alone and yes he had a bad day but to categorize this as a trend is way off the mark.
    Hardly do I base it on Sundays game. Every back worth their salt believes that they can juke the defenders out of their spikes and gain more yards. The wise ones realize when it is time to try and when it is time to get what is in front of you and get back to the huddle. Ray still does not grasp that concept. Barry Sanders he is not.




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    Re: Advanced NFL Stats crushes the Sun, calls out Preston

    as said before, I have no idea who this guy is, nor have I ever visited that web site. But if he bashes that fat POS Preston i'm all for it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by cbaywolf View Post
    I said the same thing in a post a few weeks ago- the stat that the Ravens win when Rice carries the ball over 20 times is pure stupidity. Rice gets 20+ carries *because* we are winning, and running the clock out the majority of times . Granted he may have a lot to do with why we're ahead in a lot of those games as well- but there were a few games when he was running into brick walls this year, and while you don't abandon the run totally- you can't keep running 60% of the time when you're not gaining yards against a stout front. Screen passess and good short pass combinations can do the exact same thing- but we usually don't do that very often for some reason.
    Exactly, many fans and certain writers, cough cough, cite those Rice run stats/Ravens winning percentage like they were scripture, totally ignoring the fact that we run more when we already have a lead in order to eat clock.

    They believe that all we have to do is run Ray Rice, regardless of how successful he is, in order to win.




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    Re: Advanced NFL Stats crushes the Sun, calls out Preston

    Quote Originally Posted by cbaywolf View Post
    I said the same thing in a post a few weeks ago- the stat that the Ravens win when Rice carries the ball over 20 times is pure stupidity. Rice gets 20+ carries *because* we are winning, and running the clock out the majority of times . Granted he may have a lot to do with why we're ahead in a lot of those games as well- but there were a few games when he was running into brick walls this year, and while you don't abandon the run totally- you can't keep running 60% of the time when you're not gaining yards against a stout front. Screen passess and good short pass combinations can do the exact same thing- but we usually don't do that very often for some reason.
    Yeah it's no doubt a chicken or the egg thing. And it isn't just with regards to the Ravens.

    I saw a similar stat for HOU that said when Foster gets 30 carries they are like undefeated or something.

    The reason they are getting those carries is usually because the team is playing with a lead. For example, up two scores via turnovers. Of course the RB will then get lots of carries - you just got spotted 2 scores via turnovers.

    It is a very skewed metric to say the least. To say "get RB so and so 20 carries and you win" isn't true. Without those turnovers Rice's 21/61 rushing day loses the game for us.




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    Re: Advanced NFL Stats crushes the Sun, calls out Preston

    Quote Originally Posted by goodandfast View Post
    Read the article.

    He says that Rice did far worse than Arian Foster. No one is saying that RR is overrated. RR DID have a bad game on Sunday though. Case in point: if he follows Leach and Yanda on the 4th and Goal run he walks into the endzone untouched. His vision was terrible and the numbers show that. He's not getting beat up this week though.
    He never gets beat up because Flacco is the whipping boy around here.

    Rice also fumbled. No criticism though. He is still a "beast" to Suggs, Reed, etc. Rice can do no wrong. If Flacco had fumbled at the goalline like Rice did we'd still be talking about it - even if it was still recovered by Grubbs.
    Last edited by bt12483; 01-18-2012 at 11:15 AM.




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    Interesting that Brady and his O-line ranked #1 in the AFC. Perhaps more interesting is that Flacco and the Baltimore O-line were ranked #2 in the AFC.




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    Re: Advanced NFL Stats crushes the Sun, calls out Preston

    Quote Originally Posted by 34wassmooth View Post
    Interesting that Brady and his O-line ranked #1 in the AFC. Perhaps more interesting is that Flacco and the Baltimore O-line were ranked #2 in the AFC.
    Where is this stat? There is no way in hell our OL is #2 in the AFC. So (in my mind) that means the Patriots are probably not #1.




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    Re: Advanced NFL Stats crushes the Sun, calls out Preston

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Yeah it's no doubt a chicken or the egg thing. And it isn't just with regards to the Ravens.

    I saw a similar stat for HOU that said when Foster gets 30 carries they are like undefeated or something.

    The reason they are getting those carries is usually because the team is playing with a lead. For example, up two scores via turnovers. Of course the RB will then get lots of carries - you just got spotted 2 scores via turnovers.

    It is a very skewed metric to say the least. To say "get RB so and so 20 carries and you win" isn't true. Without those turnovers Rice's 21/61 rushing day loses the game for us.
    Don't forget the inverse of this as well - when "insert QB" throws 30+ times, the team is *insert shitty record*.

    Fails to acknowledge that the reason the QB is throwing so much is probably that the team is behind, and thus of course much more likely to lose. So a defense giving up 30 points, leads to a QB throwing it 40 times, team loses (no real fault of the QB), and this is then skewed to say that the team can't win if they allow the QB to throw a lot.




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