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    I'm wondering if maybe we look to the college ranks for an OC. Bring in someone who can incorporate more spread opportunities into our power run game.

    I literally just thought of something. One of the reasons our offense has issues is that while Joe throws best in an uptempo shotgun set, Ray does his best running out of a slowed down grinding power I set. It means that we can only really commit to one or the other. And while I know Joe can be deadly out of the play action boot, Cam seems to have gotten away from that lately for some reason.


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    Re: Comparing Flacco to the other playoff QBs left - very surprising

    Quote Originally Posted by mjones73 View Post
    McDaniels is already back in New England...
    I didn't see the details of the contract. I was more or less just banking on it being a sneaky sneaky by Bellicheat and he'll be back on the market after the season.




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    Re: Comparing Flacco to the other playoff QBs left - very surprising

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    But what about this year's game for both QBs = Eli against GB was 21/33 for 330 yds and 3 TDs. It's about getting better each year, and Flacco has struggled this year more than last.
    Huh?

    Eli is on his 8th year, Flacco his 4th. We will cross that bridge in 2015, not now. Eli had a 77 rating in year 3, and a 73 rating in year 4.

    Eli never had a QB rating of over 77 his 1st 4 years. 7-7.

    Flacco is so far ahead of Eli at this point of his career they almost aren't even comparable.




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    Re: Comparing Flacco to the other playoff QBs left - very surprising

    Quote Originally Posted by 52decleetzu View Post
    Huh?

    Eli is on his 8th year, Flacco his 4th. We will cross that bridge in 2015, not now. Eli had a 77 rating in year 3, and a 73 rating in year 4.

    Eli never had a QB rating of over 77 his 1st 4 years. 7-7.

    Flacco is so far ahead of Eli at this point of his career they almost aren't even comparable.
    I'd rather have the SB win than the stats but I get your point; wouldn't say they're not comporable though.
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    Re: Comparing Flacco to the other playoff QBs left (Merged Threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    I'm wondering if maybe we look to the college ranks for an OC. Bring in someone who can incorporate more spread opportunities into our power run game.

    I literally just thought of something. One of the reasons our offense has issues is that while Joe throws best in an uptempo shotgun set, Ray does his best running out of a slowed down grinding power I set. It means that we can only really commit to one or the other. And while I know Joe can be deadly out of the play action boot, Cam seems to have gotten away from that lately for some reason.


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    I don't know about that. Rice seems to do pretty well out of a draw when Flacco is in the gun and were running 3 or 4 wide.

    I just think we have the personnel to run that style of offense. We're not that ground and pound any more based on personnel. That isn't Jamal back there it's Rice, and it's Flacco(who does better in the gun) not a washed up McNair or before him the laundry list of QB's. You have a burner on the outside in TSmith, a beast slot guy in Boldin, and another possesion but speedy guy in Evans. Add in rotating out Pitta(hands) or Dickson(matchup) and you have the perfect spread offense in personnel.




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    Manning's Superbowl was super flukey though. Not taking anything away from what he did because he was monster clutch in that game, but the Giants d-line had a much bigger role in that win than Eli.


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    Re: Comparing Flacco to the other playoff QBs left (Merged Threads)

    The Flacco / Eli comparison is valid. And of course Eli got all sorts of criticism until he improved.

    The Flacco / Brady comparison fails because Brady won two SBs in those first 4 years. And while victories and titles are the result of teams not individuals, Brady's postseason play was far superior to Flacco's (in the 4 year comparison).

    Smith's first 4 years are bad, plus no one is saying Smith is a consistently good QB yet even if they are saying he might have turned the corner with Harbaugh's help.

    Joe wasn't helped last week by our O-line or gameplan, imo; and eventhough his rating was very good, and his performance, considering the situation, was better than good, he still didn't put up the production to quiet the average critic. Hopefully he does this weekend.




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    Re: Comparing Flacco to the other playoff QBs left (Merged Threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    The Flacco / Eli comparison is valid. And of course Eli got all sorts of criticism until he improved.
    From the national media? Don't recall that. At all.

    And due to my work I am trapped inside watching and listening to stuff all day long when NFL is playing and being talked about 24/7. Maybe in New York, but he damn sur wasn't getting crushed in the national media like Joe is.

    Can anyone imagine what they would be saying about Joe is he had this line his first 4 years...

    55games

    55% comp

    199.7 YPG

    77 TD

    64 INT

    70.6 rating.

    Could you even fathom what the rhetoric would be??




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    Re: Comparing Flacco to the other playoff QBs left - very surprising

    Quote Originally Posted by 52decleetzu View Post
    Huh?

    Eli is on his 8th year, Flacco his 4th. We will cross that bridge in 2015, not now. Eli had a 77 rating in year 3, and a 73 rating in year 4.

    Eli never had a QB rating of over 77 his 1st 4 years. 7-7.

    Flacco is so far ahead of Eli at this point of his career they almost aren't even comparable.

    In the postseason of Eli's 4th year he was: 72/119 for 854 yds 6 TDs/1 Int for a rating of 95.7....all games on the road and the SB against an undefeated team.

    That was exactly his turning point. The next year his QB rating was 12 points higher than his first 4 year average. And it has been decent to good since.

    Not arguing with anything you said, but it is about here where Flacco can step up and remain ahead of Eli's development curve.




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    Re: Comparing Flacco to the other playoff QBs left (Merged Threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by 52decleetzu View Post
    From the national media? Don't recall that. At all.

    And due to my work I am trapped inside watching and listening to stuff all day long when NFL is playing and being talked about 24/7. Maybe in New York, but he damn sur wasn't getting crushed in the national media like Joe is.

    Can anyone imagine what they would be saying about Joe is he had this line his first 4 years...

    55games

    55% comp

    199.7 YPG

    77 TD

    64 INT

    70.6 rating.

    Could you even fathom what the rhetoric would be??
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/15/sp.../15giants.html

    Plenty of examples just like this one. Plus Tiki called him out pre-SB run. I would argue he actually had it a lot worse than Flacco, mainly because he was in NY, but still.




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    Re: Comparing Flacco to the other playoff QBs left (Merged Threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/15/sp.../15giants.html

    Plenty of examples just like this one. Plus Tiki called him out pre-SB run. I would argue he actually had it a lot worse than Flacco, mainly because he was in NY, but still.
    Again, all that was in New York. Local, not national.

    If I had a QB who was picked 1st overall and was flat out terrible for 4 years straight playing for my team I would be complaining as well.

    The media has changed drastically over the last 5 years for the worse, I will say that.




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    Re: Comparing Flacco to the other playoff QBs left - very surprising

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    In the postseason of Eli's 4th year he was: 72/119 for 854 yds 6 TDs/1 Int for a rating of 95.7....all games on the road and the SB against an undefeated team.

    That was exactly his turning point. The next year his QB rating was 12 points higher than his first 4 year average. And it has been decent to good since.

    Not arguing with anything you said, but it is about here where Flacco can step up and remain ahead of Eli's development curve.
    So far in his 4th year Joe is ahead of that pace with a 97 rating.




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    Re: Comparing Flacco to the other playoff QBs left (Merged Threads)

    Some Ravens fans just don't realize how good they have it. As another poster mentioned, you can name any of the QBs that would be considered among the league's best, and look at their first four years as a Pro. Joe Flacco's first four years compared favorably to the vast majority of them, whether it be statistics or playoff victories.
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    Re: Comparing Flacco to the other playoff QBs left (Merged Threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by 52decleetzu View Post
    Again, all that was in New York. Local, not national.

    If I had a QB who was picked 1st overall and was flat out terrible for 4 years straight playing for my team I would be complaining as well.

    The media has changed drastically over the last 5 years for the worse, I will say that.
    It wasn't just in NY. And it was worse, and from his teammates and GM and coaches at times. And of course 'terrible' is relative. He didn't even start his first year, Warner did; that half-year he was awful. The next 3 were mid-70s rating (not good but not night-and-day different than an 80 rating) due to Ints.

    Like I said, this is about where Flacco needs to step up, and to some he seems to be stepping backwards. I don't agree with that, as I see areas that are improved and slight variations of statistics can occur due to extenuating circumstances.




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    Re: Comparing Flacco to the other playoff QBs left - very surprising

    Quote Originally Posted by 52decleetzu View Post
    So far in his 4th year Joe is ahead of that pace with a 97 rating.
    I agree. But it needs to continue, and I hope and suspect it will.




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