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    Pats gave up over 30pts once this season, in the 2nd game against the Bills, one their 3 losses.

    In the losses to Pitt & Giants, they gave up 25 & 24 respectively.

    I don't see the Ravens getting to 27pts, never mind 30+.



    Quote Originally Posted by PeterB58 View Post
    I agree with this 100%. Talent-wise, the Ravens have enough to easily put up 30+ points on a pretty bad defense. The big questions: Can they execute? Can they adjust?




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    Re: Patriots D

    Quote Originally Posted by tailgater View Post
    Pats gave up over 30pts once this season, in the 2nd game against the Bills, one their 3 losses.

    In the losses to Pitt & Giants, they gave up 25 & 24 respectively.

    I don't see the Ravens getting to 27pts, never mind 30+.
    Do you think the Ravens have less offensive talent than the Bills, Steelers and Giants?




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    McCourty was moved to safety the last month of the season. They've been going with Moore & Arrington at corner, with Chung & McC at safety. It's been working better so far.

    If Flacco is accurate this Sunday, he'll complete a few deep balls. If they lead to TDs, they have a good chance to win.

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Devin McCourty may be having a down year, but he's still a good corner and he's got the wheels to keep up with Torrey.

    I don't think that Kyle Arrington can hang with Torrey or Boldin though.




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    Giants & Steelers, yes. Bills, no. Thats only my opinoin, but coaching has a lot to do with the end results too.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterB58 View Post
    Do you think the Ravens have less offensive talent than the Bills, Steelers and Giants?




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    This is a team sport! Ravens win because they have a better team, flat out!!

    The combination of ball control and even a slight and I mean SLIGHT drop of in patriots offensive production to a defense that should be at least capable of causing that will sink them!

    We match up against their receivers better than folk think we do and it gets even better in the red zone!

    Somebody bet me a dollar we get a pick inside of ten yards .......
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    Quote Originally Posted by tailgater View Post
    Giants & Steelers, yes. Bills, no. Thats only my opinoin, but coaching has a lot to do with the end results too.
    I will grant you that coaching is a factor...and the Ravens have a serious coaching problem on the offensive side of the ball.

    I might grant you the Giants have the better offense. No way are the Steelers a better offensive team.

    Keep in mind, the Ravens played something like 75% of their games this year against defenses in the top 10.

    I guess that is why they play the game on the field.




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    Quote Originally Posted by tailgater View Post
    McCourty was moved to safety the last month of the season. They've been going with Moore & Arrington at corner, with Chung & McC at safety. It's been working better so far.

    If Flacco is accurate this Sunday, he'll complete a few deep balls. If they lead to TDs, they have a good chance to win.
    That's exactly why you want a big Tight End like Dickson up the middle. Chung can't cover since his injury, but he sure can hit. McCourty does not match up with someone the size of Dickson.

    Arrington has been pretty good at CB this year. I have a feeling the Pats will match him in man to man against Torrey Smith all game. The Texans did well doing the same thing with Jonathan Joseph.
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    No problem with that definition (team vs talent). I think Pitt has the skill position talent, but their OL has been decimated the last couple years. I'd say they are better at qb, #1 & #2 wr, te, while Bal is better at rb & definitley OL.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterB58 View Post
    I will grant you that coaching is a factor...and the Ravens have a serious coaching problem on the offensive side of the ball.

    I might grant you the Giants have the better offense. No way are the Steelers a better offensive team.

    Keep in mind, the Ravens played something like 75% of their games this year against defenses in the top 10.

    I guess that is why they play the game on the field.




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    Chung has only been healthy the last game or two. He can cover better than you think, but, yes, TE's down the middle have killed the Pats all year, moreso due to LB play than anything else. Now that Spikes is back in the middle, it frees up Mayo to cover the middle. Hopefully that reduces the # of 20yd rec by the TEs up the middle.

    For most of the season, excluding the Giants game, they've been able to give up chunks of yards down the middle between the 20's and still keep scoring down.

    Pats will mix it up all day on D, with a mix of zone & man.

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    That's exactly why you want a big Tight End like Dickson up the middle. Chung can't cover since his injury, but he sure can hit. McCourty does not match up with someone the size of Dickson.

    Arrington has been pretty good at CB this year. I have a feeling the Pats will match him in man to man against Torrey Smith all game. The Texans did well doing the same thing with Jonathan Joseph.




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    Quote Originally Posted by tailgater View Post
    No problem with that definition (team vs talent). I think Pitt has the skill position talent, but their OL has been decimated the last couple years. I'd say they are better at qb, #1 & #2 wr, te, while Bal is better at rb & definitley OL.
    Heath Miller better than Dixon/Pitta?

    Uhhh....no.




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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterB58 View Post
    Heath Miller better than Dixon/Pitta?

    Uhhh....no.
    Heath Miller doesn't drop wide open passes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Heath Miller doesn't drop wide open passes.
    Neither does Pitta.




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    The pats zone coverage in the secondary. Reason, they are so slow and inexperienced at LB and DB. Playing zone without being to generate a pass rush is a bad combination. Plus, Pats haven't played many good offenses. Patriots might have the slowest Dline in football, Rice should have an easy time on stretch runs or cutbacks. Ravens should be able to do what they want on offense on the ground or air.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    Ravens should be able to do what they want on offense on the ground or air.
    As long as they execute...and Cameron can make an adjustment or two. Big ifs...




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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterB58 View Post
    Neither does Pitta.
    Yea, but Pitta sees maybe a handful of snaps per game. Miller is out there on almost every snap. Miller is also a hell of a blocker.
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