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    Re: Who do you think is the most important player we drafted in 08?



    I agree with the sentiment that Joe is #1 and Ray Rice is #2 but not with the proviso that "it's not even close".

    I think it is reasonably close. Ray Rice isn't just a good running back. He's a special talent. He may be the best RB in the NFL.

    Still, in today's NFL the QB position influences games more than the RB position does, so we have to give the nod to Joe. But 2008 Joe wouldn't have become 2012 Joe if he didn't have Ray Rice for the last 4 years bailing Joe and our offense out countless times with his truly dynamic play.




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    Re: Who do you think is the most important player we drafted in 08?

    Ray Rice seeing as how he's the leader of this offense and the fact that he dictates the level of offensive play. I don't understand how it could be Flacco when we all know that if Lil Ray doesn't get minimum 20-25 touches, we lose.




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    Re: Who do you think is the most important player we drafted in 08?

    Its a QB driven league. Without a franchise QB you're not gonna win anything. Your could make the arguement that Rice was the more important pick, but I'll side with Joe. I don't want to go back to the decade beforehand of the horrible QB play.




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    Re: Who do you think is the most important player we drafted in 08?

    Flacco is definitely #1. Stability at the QB position is the key to success. He is a big reason why the Ravens have been to the playoffs 4 years in a row.




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    Re: Who do you think is the most important player we drafted in 08?

    Quote Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85 View Post
    Ray Rice seeing as how he's the leader of this offense and the fact that he dictates the level of offensive play. I don't understand how it could be Flacco when we all know that if Lil Ray doesn't get minimum 20-25 touches, we lose.
    But if Willis Mcgahee were running the ball 15-25 times (with some other combinations of a 2 or 3 headed monster), it might not be quite as productive as Ray, but we'd still be a decent offense. You could also guess that Joe might be a little further along if we weren't so run-oriented as well (but that's just guessing). As someone else mentioned, the QB touches the ball on every single snap- and if he has an off day, you almost always lose. the same can't be said about a running back.

    And i also think Ray is a top-3 running back, but the fact is they are the easiest position on a team to re-stock (albeit not as high caliber).

    And the stat that Ray has to get 20-25 touches or we lose is the most stupid stat in football! The reason a running back gets more carries when we win IS BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU'RE WINNING A GAME, YOU'RE RUNNING MORE, TO RUN TIME OFF THE CLOCK in the 3rd/4th quarter! It's not the only reason that the carries are up, but it's a big one. And when you fall behind by 10, 14, and 17 points YOU CAN'T KEEP running b/c you need to move the ball down the field faster, and you need the clock to stop more so that you have enough time to score.

    That being said, I don't think Joe should throw more than 30 times per game with our solid running game- unless we fall behind by 2 or more scores- then he needs to pick it up, and put the team on his back.




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    Re: Who do you think is the most important player we drafted in 08?

    It's definitely Joe, but I think that both are huge. Rice is a better RB than Joe is a QB, but the QB is clearly the most important position on modern NFL teams.

    Overall the 2008 draft has shaped up to be one of the Ravens best - I'd say #2 after the 96 draft.




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    Re: Who do you think is the most important player we drafted in 08?

    Quote Originally Posted by BleedPurple92 View Post
    Curious to see what people think.

    2 obvious are, Joe and Ray.

    I would say Joe, and honestly its not close, because we know first hand what its like to search a decade for a Legitimate QB, No offense to Ray Rice, i love him, but it seems in today's NFL if you don't have a solid Franchise QB you cant win, and Running backs are almost a dime a dozen in today's NFL.


    Its funny to think even though Ray has been a pro bowler, and honestly the best RB we've had since Jamal, We've seen what this offense looks like with a shitty QB, and a hell of a back.
    Are you this bored? Seriously?

    Just look at the carnage around the league at the Head Coaching position over the past 3-4 years. What is in common? They were losing ALOT ( for you English majors) because of? THEIR QUARTERBACK!

    Since Harbs was hired in 2008:

    Sparano and Zorn are toast. The next year hires, Todd Haley, Jim Mora, Tom Cable, Josh McDaniels, Mangini, Morris, Spagnolo, and Singletary (Caldwell is on the precipice) = "Back to coordinator positions, you losers!"

    Why? They couldn't develop a QB to help their teams win consistently like the Patriots, Colts, Packers.... OR RAVENS!

    Jim Shwartz began in 09 and still has his job. Why? Stafford
    Rex Ryan will lose his job if Sanchez doesn't improve next year.

    JOE FLACCO is clearly above and beyond every other pick as being the best pick. He may rival Ray Lewis before his career is over. The only reason Ray will always be the best pick in Raven's history will be because of the timing.
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    Re: Who do you think is the most important player we drafted in 08?

    Anybody that says it isnt Flacco clearly wasnt a fan through the infuriating Boller years. you can argue if hes good/great but you cant argue with the stability hes brought to the position as well as the consistency the team has managed due to that fact. Im thankful for playoffs annually and no more losing seasons.
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    Re: Who do you think is the most important player we drafted in 08?

    think about how the team floundered at .500 wi Jamal Lewis and QB-of-the-week (Grbac, Blake, Boller). IIRC we didn't win more than 10 games from 2001 to 2006. JFlacc is the difference maker.
    ...but I doubt the Ravens would be at 12-4 / division winner without Ray Rice.
    nice to have them BOTH!!!
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    Re: Who do you think is the most important player we drafted in 08?

    Definitely Joe Flacco. Look at MJD, he is great, but his team sucks and there is not much he can do. A good QB finds his way to the playoffs just about every year.




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    Re: Who do you think is the most important player we drafted in 08?

    Quote Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85 View Post
    Ray Rice seeing as how he's the leader of this offense and the fact that he dictates the level of offensive play. I don't understand how it could be Flacco when we all know that if Lil Ray doesn't get minimum 20-25 touches, we lose.
    That's a good point. We've seen this season that if Flacco throws it too much we lose, also if Ray doesn't get the ball enough we lose. That closes the gap a bit, but considering what Todays NFL has turned into, i still have to go with Flacco, But you bring up a good point.

    Ray Rice is what makes this offense run, if we didn't have a back like Ray, without a doubt it wouldn't be a good offense, and i think Joe would struggle quite a bit, we might have a different perspective on him.
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    Re: Who do you think is the most important player we drafted in 08?

    The thing about running vs throwing means winning and losing is somewhat of a fallacy.

    You look at a team that plays a game where they have to throw 50 times, and it usually means they are playing from behind. Conversely, if the rushing totals are way up, it's usually because a team is ahead.




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    Re: Who do you think is the most important player we drafted in 08?

    Quote Originally Posted by alienrace View Post
    The thing about running vs throwing means winning and losing is somewhat of a fallacy.

    You look at a team that plays a game where they have to throw 50 times, and it usually means they are playing from behind. Conversely, if the rushing totals are way up, it's usually because a team is ahead.
    True. in addition to the Rice because we win when he gets his 25 and lose if joe throws 50 argument, Flacco is the leader of this offense. he commands it, and players look to him. when the defense lets us down were not putting it on Ray Rice to bring us from behind, its Joe and his 90 yard drives and last minute scores. We win when Rice gets 25+ because we have the lead and a good defense to hold it. that doesnt mean Flacco didnt have a part in getting that lead. I look at if we had another young QB, any chance were in the playoffs? probably not. as opposed to another young RB? plausible. might not be the same player rice is but youre more likely to get similar production at that position than QB. RBs really are a dime a dozen outside the top 4-5 (which Rice probably is). top or even adequate Qbs are much more rare.
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    Re: Who do you think is the most important player we drafted in 08?

    Ray Rice is a running back that is part of the run game. Most QB's struggle when the run game struggles.

    How does Joe get blamed for Reed's two fumbles? Without that loss, the Ravens are the #1 seed. I mean, you guys do know that NE lost 3 games this year, right? That Joe didn't lose to ANY of the playoff teams he faced this year!?

    Joe drives me insane because I believe he can play better than he does sometimes, but he deserves praise. This team is back to 10-6, 6-10, 9-7,7-9 annual roller coaster without Flacco.
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    Re: Who do you think is the most important player we drafted in 08?

    Quote Originally Posted by Teavo View Post
    But 2008 Joe wouldn't have become 2012 Joe if he didn't have Ray Rice for the last 4 years bailing Joe and our offense out countless times with his truly dynamic play.
    I really think it's more fair to say "the last 3 years", not four. Rice and Flacco's rookie year, McClain and McGahee did the bulk of the "bailing out" via the run game. McClain had 232 touches, McGahee 170, and Rice 107. Flacco wasn't leaning on Rice for anything when they were rookies.




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