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  1. #16

    Re: Dickson and Pitta: I was wrong.



    Quote Originally Posted by pickles View Post
    It's isn't the 3rd WR; it's Vontae Leach. On passing downs they often run those two out there, but this fetish you have for running the primary offense w two tight ends, pretty much relegates the best FB in the NFL to 3rd and short situations. That obviously isn't going to happen.
    I know you have to disagree with everything i say, but i'll repeat it again...

    "PLAY PITTA AND DICKSON AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE" My "fetish" isn't to take Leach out of the game. Not sure where you heard me say that. I would rather have Pitta in the game than Evans is my point. Did you hear me say anything about leach?? Did i not say 3rd WR?

    Again? okay man..... I don't have a "Fetish", and i don't want the primary offense to be Pitta and Dickson, but i would rather have Pitta in there than Evans..... Do you want me to say it again? okay one last time pickles, in case you read in threes.

    Instead of Evans, i would rather have Pitta in on offense.

    Again? Too complicated? Okay i don't know how to simplify this anymore, but....PITTA>EVANS.

    Okay, you don't know what ">" means? Okay Pitta Over Evans.

    If you don't understand that, then well.... what are we really doing here then? really.
    Last edited by BleedPurple92; 01-10-2012 at 03:14 AM.
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    Re: Dickson and Pitta: I was wrong.

    Bleed, you said the same formation.
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    Re: Dickson and Pitta: I was wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by BleedPurple92 View Post
    Man i want us to play Pitta and Dickson as much as possible, in the same formation. We just look much better when we do that. .
    This is what you said Bleed. You do it to yourself every time.
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  4. #19

    Re: Dickson and Pitta: I was wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    This is what you said Bleed. You do it to yourself every time.
    Lmao... This really isn't hard.

    Pitta + Dickson = No evans. its not hard to figure out. Leach can come in whenever he wants.

    I just dont want to see Evans much. I honestly don't know how else to put it lol, it seems pretty clear to me.
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  5. #20

    Re: Dickson and Pitta: I was wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by BleedPurple92 View Post
    Man i want us to play Pitta and Dickson as much as possible, in the same formation. We just look much better when we do that.

    Just forget about a 3rd receiver for now... More Dickson, and Pitta.
    How is that hard to understand? That is what i said.

    Lemme put it a different way. In formations where Evans would normally be inserted, forget about him, and insert Pitta, more Dickson and Pitta less Evans would be nice.

    That's all i'm saying. I thought it was pretty clear.
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  6. #21

    Re: Dickson and Pitta: I was wrong.

    You can be a smart ass about it all you want but you just seem to lack a fundamental understanding of the offensive packages the Ravens run.

    There are 5 OL; there is a QB; there is RR; and there are 2 WR; that is a total of 9 players.

    IF you have the two tight ends in the game there is no Vontae Leach. It is that simple. They do often run 2 TE packages on third down passing plays when Leach isn't in the game. They do it all the time.

    Evans isn't getting a lot of snaps. We don't run a lot of 3 WR sets. You seem to be requesting something that they already do quite a bit of; that leads people to think you want to do it more, and we're pointing out to you that if you run the 2 TE sets more you HAVE to tack VL of the field.

    I don't know, maybe we mistaken to believe you understand football, or that you can count to eleven. Because something is amiss in your logic.




  7. #22

    Re: Dickson and Pitta: I was wrong.

    If it wasn't for your name, i would never take you seriously. Its genius.

    5 olineman. 1 QB 1RB 1FB 2 WR/1TE or 3WRs(The package evans comes in) What i'm saying is, No more Evans, Instea of 3 Wide recievers, pretty much make the 3rd Wide Out Pitta, Instead of Evans, insert Pitta. I feel much more comfortable with him playing at WR than Evans, he pretty much did it on Sunday. Which is my point.

    Either you refuse to understand me, or well you're as smart as your name. Its really not that hard to grasp. This has nothing to do with Leach, he will get his snaps. The only problem i can think of is when we go to a 3 wide 2 Te set, which i don't think I've seen us do all year, so what's your malfunction?

    Dont play Evans. Its simple, play Pitta where Evans is suppose to be. He pretty much started at WR in place on Anquan vs Cinci.. Did you not watch that game? If you did then why do you choose to make this difficult?
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    Re: Dickson and Pitta: I was wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by BleedPurple92 View Post
    If it wasn't for your name, i would never take you seriously. Its genius.
    Hahah. Thank you. And I assure you I feel much the same way towards you and your avatar.

    5 olineman. 1 QB 1RB 1FB 2 WR/1TE or 3WRs(The package evans comes in) What i'm saying is, No more Evans, Instea of 3 Wide recievers, pretty much make the 3rd Wide Out Pitta, Instead of Evans, insert Pitta. I feel much more comfortable with him playing at WR than Evans, he pretty much did it on Sunday. Which is my point.
    And that's fine. I feel the same way. HOWEVER, this team has run so few 3 WR sets this year it's a small, small thing. Seriously. I can't remember a time when the Ravens ran less 3 wide, so to request for more 2 TE sets, people are saying the more of those you run the less 2 WR/RB/FB/TE they are going to run, and they didn't bring VL in here to get away from that. Which is my point.

    Either you refuse to understand me, or well you're as smart as your name. Its really not that hard to grasp. This has nothing to do with Leach, he will get his snaps. The only problem i can think of is when we go to a 3 wide 2 Te set, which i don't think I've seen us do all year, so what's your malfunction?
    In passing downs I have no problem w the 2 TE sets. I'm with you that I'd rather have DP in there than Evans at this point. However, on 1-10 if we go 2 TE then that severely limits our ability to run the ball.

    Dont play Evans. Its simple, play Pitta where Evans is suppose to be. He pretty much started at WR in place on Anquan vs Cinci.. Did you not watch that game? If you did then why do you choose to make this difficult?
    I'm not sure what you're point is here. Could you be a little more clearer w your pronouns.

    If you're saying, never play Evans and run 2 TE sets in place of the 3 WR set, then mission accomplished, because that's pretty much what they do now. You're railing against nothing. They already pretty much DO what you're suggesting. Hell, in the Cinci game, they pretty much went 1 wide the whole game cause Boldin was out.

    But again, if you want to run any more 2 TE sets, you're doing it at the expense of PT for VL. That's all people are saying.




  9. #24

    Re: Dickson and Pitta: I was wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by pickles View Post
    Hahah. Thank you. And I assure you I feel much the same way towards you and your avatar.



    And that's fine. I feel the same way. HOWEVER, this team has run so few 3 WR sets this year it's a small, small thing. Seriously. I can't remember a time when the Ravens ran less 3 wide, so to request for more 2 TE sets, people are saying the more of those you run the less 2 WR/RB/FB/TE they are going to run, and they didn't bring VL in here to get away from that. Which is my point.



    In passing downs I have no problem w the 2 TE sets. I'm with you that I'd rather have DP in there than Evans at this point. However, on 1-10 if we go 2 TE then that severely limits our ability to run the ball.



    I'm not sure what you're point is here. Could you be a little more clearer w your pronouns.

    If you're saying, never play Evans and run 2 TE sets in place of the 3 WR set, then mission accomplished, because that's pretty much what they do now. You're railing against nothing. They already pretty much DO what you're suggesting. Hell, in the Cinci game, they pretty much went 1 wide the whole game cause Boldin was out.

    But again, if you want to run any more 2 TE sets, you're doing it at the expense of PT for VL. That's all people are saying.
    OMG This is the most pointless argument i've ever had on this Message board, and i feel like you wanted to make it difficult.

    Makes absolutely no sense, why this has even gone this far based on the Bold portion, if you really meant what you said in the bold portion.

    ANSWER ME THIS.

    • When did i ever say Leach shouldn't be on the field?



    • Why the fuck would we come out with Evans on 1st and 10?



    • Does it not go without saying, that wanting to have Pitta play wideout instead of Evans means on passing downs?



    • If Evans is on the field does it not mean Leach is on the sidelines either way?



    • Would you rather have Evans on the field and Leach on the sidelines? or Pitta on the Field, instead of Evans, on passing downs? (Anyone who's watched a Ravens game the last month would pick the latter)




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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedPurple92 View Post
    Man i want us to play Pitta and Dickson as much as possible, in the same formation. We just look much better when we do that.

    Just forget about a 3rd receiver for now... More Dickson, and Pitta.
    Quote Originally Posted by BleedPurple92 View Post
    I know you have to disagree with everything i say, but i'll repeat it again...

    "PLAY PITTA AND DICKSON AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE" My "fetish" isn't to take Leach out of the game. Not sure where you heard me say that. I would rather have Pitta in the game than Evans is my point. Did you hear me say anything about leach?? Did i not say 3rd WR?

    Again? okay man..... I don't have a "Fetish", and i don't want the primary offense to be Pitta and Dickson, but i would rather have Pitta in there than Evans..... Do you want me to say it again? okay one last time pickles, in case you read in threes.

    Instead of Evans, i would rather have Pitta in on offense.

    Again? Too complicated? Okay i don't know how to simplify this anymore, but....PITTA>EVANS.

    Okay, you don't know what ">" means? Okay Pitta Over Evans.

    If you don't understand that, then well.... what are we really doing here then? really.
    Quote Originally Posted by BleedPurple92 View Post
    Lmao... This really isn't hard.

    Pitta + Dickson = No evans. its not hard to figure out. Leach can come in whenever he wants.

    I just dont want to see Evans much. I honestly don't know how else to put it lol, it seems pretty clear to me.


    IN all these fucking posts i was saying the same thing. I'd rather see Pitta take Evan's role, as the 3rd wideout, which would mean Dickson and Pitta on the field at the same time.

    I don't understand, are you competent? Why is this such a hard concept? ITS FUCKING SIMPLE. It goes without saying that Leach plays, I've said this a million times, read my posts, but leach doesn't play 1st, 2nd and 3rd downs. He goes out on passing downs, and we spread it out a bit more. THAT IS MY FUCKING PROBLEM INSTEAD OF EVER LETTING EVANS SEE THE FIELD, INSERT PITTA. I just dont like Evans, Its really simple dude. You're making it hard to take you seriously if you cant understand a simple fucking concept.

    I still see Evans on the field, even in our last game, which surprisingly he dropped the ball. I don't wanna see him on the field.
    Last edited by BleedPurple92; 01-10-2012 at 07:29 AM.
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  10. #25

    Re: Dickson and Pitta: I was wrong.

    Let me put it in a different way.... Because oddly, i don't hate you(Even though you've made me pull a couple of these ).

    Think of Pitta as a Wide Receiver, which he started as on Sunday vs the Bengals. Think of him Playing both Receiver and Tight End.

    He comes in on 3 WR sets, in his reciever role in place of Evans.... Meanwhile still holding up his Job as the 2nd TE.

    Its really simple, I just really don't like Evans, and judging by how well Pitta played sunday when he played Receiver, i would feel a lot better with him at Receiver instead of Evans. He has shown his versatility. Just think of him as another reciever..

    Fact is, Evans still plays, and he comes in and drops passes thrown his way and doesn't get open, you cant tell me he's a better option than Pitta, i still see him in the games. Did you not see him drop that long perfect bomb by Flacco? I know i wasn't seeing things.

    I'm up this late because I've been writing this fucking paper, that i started late on, so i'm double frustrated on that... I'm gonna be passed out in class hope my Professor, is in a good mood. Sorry if i'm coming off harsh. Just don't understand why its such a hard concept to grasp.
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    Re: Dickson and Pitta: I was wrong.

    I'll jump into the fire here...

    I see what bleed is saying. Vonta Leach, best FB in the game, no denial there...

    But, when it's 3rd and long, what is the point of bringing Leach out there? Very little chance you're going to run it there. Leach is a decent receiver, but more in a short yardage situation to bang through some defenders. Maybe as a pass blocker, but I bet if you go and look through every offensive play we've run (I'm not going to do it), Leach isn't on the field for every offensive snap in the game.

    So, what we're saying is, when you pull Leach off the field to load up for a pass, the primary guy checking in SHOULD be Pitta. Dickson is supposed to be a more athletic, hybrid WR/TE type anyway, but in any case, you can use the two of them, along with Torrey and Boldin, in many different formations. Unbalanced line, one on each side, one dropped into the slot, one in the back field...

    This is two things really...#1, an indication of how well BOTH TEs have played this year and #2, an indictment of the way Lee Evans is playing.
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  12. #27

    Re: Dickson and Pitta: I was wrong.

    I think its kind of hard to look at Heaps stats last year vs, Dickson and Pitta this year. Dickson only had 150 yards and 11 catches last year as our 2nd TE while Pitta has over 40 and 400. obviously were more TE oriented than last year, certainly with 2 TE sets and our lack of a 3rd WR. Theyve both certainly had good years, and getting rid of Heap, although not my favorite move was still probably the best for the team.

    As far as who plays when, obviously I think Pitta has been in that roll more lately if not sliding past Dickson as the primary TE. Matchups and game situations determine personnel so I think its hard to say that it should be one way or another EVERY time. you start getting predictable and teams key in on it. I think Pittas 3rd down conversion catches are probably a good sign that hes in on 3rd and long and playing well.
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    Re: Dickson and Pitta: I was wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Heap missed even more games this year and was injured when he
    came here. Oz knew what he was doing.

    It's been said Heap doesn't like taking medications and shots because
    of his religion. Not sure if that's true but it's been said.

    Whatever, he only had 283 yds this year and 1 TD as opposed to 938 yds and 8 TDs for Pitta and Dickson.
    That rumor was debunked while he was still here.

    That's the more interesting comparison, though, what he's doing *this* year compared to what Dickson & Pitta are doing. Because if we'd kept him - as much as we revere him, with good reason - it's *this* year's Heap we'd have. Not last.
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  14. #29

    Re: Dickson and Pitta: I was wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by BleedPurple92 View Post
    OMG This is the most pointless argument i've ever had on this Message board, and i feel like you wanted to make it difficult.

    Makes absolutely no sense, why this has even gone this far based on the Bold portion, if you really meant what you said in the bold portion.


    ................ I don't understand, are you competent? Why is this such a hard concept? ITS FUCKING SIMPLE.

    Would you all please stop all the bickering and just get on with the Tight End discussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is ridiculous -- and disruptive. If you need to insult each other, please take your insults to PMs.

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    Re: Dickson and Pitta: I was wrong.

    I've been really impressed with both TE's. I wish Dickson wouldn't have as many drops, but he has made some big catches. I think both will be a force going forward, as they are only in their second year.




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