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    Re: Hines Ward to Retire



    And so it ends

    1,000 receptions and Superbowl MVP, a career any receiver would be happy to have

    Not a suprise, Wallace, Brown, Sanders and Cotchery ahead of him
    And I think I read he was due four million next year so he was certain to get cut

    Retire with his team now so and go out on a good note rather then scrambling around as an unattractive free agent this offseason




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    Buh-Bye! His best days were waaaaaaay behind him. Better to get out now while he still has his health.

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    Re: Hines Ward to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by chicagoravensfan View Post
    I'm not so sure about that. His blocking in the run game, good guy reputation and the fact that he owns all those Steelers all time records will carry a lot of weight. Even his "dirty" reputation over time will be seen as a guy who would push the limit to win. Two Super Bowl rings and MVP of one of them -- I think he gets in eventually. Plus there is the idea that he "revolutionized" the slot WR position which led the way for Welker and others.
    There is such a log jam at WR that a player needs stellar numbers to get in. Ward just doesn't have that. Hall of Fame seems to come down to numbers given your peers. Ward made 4 Pro Bowls in 14 years and never led the league in anything. Chris Carter, TO, Isaac Bruce, Tim Brown and Tory Holt all have to get in before Ward. That's just too many players.
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    Re: Hines Ward to Retire

    Never get in a fight with a pig; you both get muddy, and the pig likes it...





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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    No surprise that he is retiring and as said above, it's a year too late. Regarding their cap woes, is it any different than what the Ravens did this year, cutting a slew of veterans and moving on? I've read some articles that predict major gloom but usually teams figure out ways around a lot of that.
    Oh, they'll figure out a way, but it sounds like it's going to be more than cutting 3 guys like we did.

    I haven't looked too much at it myself yet, but it sounds like they're going to have to have a major purge and aren't going to be in a position to reload, other than through the draft. Remember, we cut guys to be able to sign and re-sign other guys (Yanda, Leach, Pollard, Ricky, McKinney, Evans). At least based on what I've read so far, I don't think they are going to be in that position. They're going to need to cut guys just to get under the Cap. Although, granted, a lot of those guys are pretty old/injured anyway (Ward, Hampton, Farrior, Smith, McFadden, etc).
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    Buh bye cheap shot artist.

    Good riddance.




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    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    Oh, they'll figure out a way, but it sounds like it's going to be more than cutting 3 guys like we did.

    I haven't looked too much at it myself yet, but it sounds like they're going to have to have a major purge and aren't going to be in a position to reload, other than through the draft. Remember, we cut guys to be able to sign and re-sign other guys (Yanda, Leach, Pollard, Ricky, McKinney, Evans). At least based on what I've read so far, I don't think they are going to be in that position. They're going to need to cut guys just to get under the Cap. Although, granted, a lot of those guys are pretty old/injured anyway (Ward, Hampton, Farrior, Smith, McFadden, etc).
    Would love to hear your input! (there is Ravens related stuff in there as well)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    There is such a log jam at WR that a player needs stellar numbers to get in. Ward just doesn't have that. Hall of Fame seems to come down to numbers given your peers. Ward made 4 Pro Bowls in 14 years and never led the league in anything. Chris Carter, TO, Isaac Bruce, Tim Brown and Tory Holt all have to get in before Ward. That's just too many players.

    Agreed, add Marvin Harrison too. Heck, there seems to be a bias against WRs anyway - and that was before the explosion of the passing offenses we're seeing now. It's only going to get tougher for guys like Ward. I just don't see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    Agreed, add Marvin Harrison too. Heck, there seems to be a bias against WRs anyway - and that was before the explosion of the passing offenses we're seeing now. It's only going to get tougher for guys like Ward. I just don't see it.
    And Randy Moss. You have to include him as well since he retired.
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    Re: Hines Ward to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    No surprise that he is retiring and as said above, it's a year too late. Regarding their cap woes, is it any different than what the Ravens did this year, cutting a slew of veterans and moving on? I've read some articles that predict major gloom but usually teams figure out ways around a lot of that.
    In terms of quality players, we had to cut 3 starters (Mason, Heap, Gregg), one good-but-overpiced backup (Willis), and let one good UFA (Wilson) sign elsewhere. All 3 of those starters had either effectively lost their starting jobs, or were on the verge of doing so.

    The Steelers cut will be far deeper and more drastic. The list of potential cuts looks something like this:

    DE Smith
    NT Hampton
    LB Farrior
    LB Foote
    CB McFadden
    OL Kemoteau
    OL Scott

    Some of those guys could be restructured and retained, but here's the problem: Even if the Steelers cut every single one, I believe they'd still be $12-$15 Mil OVER the salary cap, and that's not counting what they'd have to pay the players they sign to replace these guys.

    It's not impossible that guys like Keisel and Ryan Clark might end up in the firing line, although it seems more likely that Pgh will make every effort to try and get the rest of the way back under the cap by restructuring the contracts for existing high-priced veterans (like Ben). But that's a temporary solution, and only pushed the remaining cap-overages into future seasons.

    So the question is: Do you prefer to rip the band-aid off slowly, or with one quick, painful pull?




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    About time. I'll grant that Ward has had a long and successful career, but for some reason I've gotten particularly tired of seeing #86 and his stupid grin every televised Steelers game. He annoys me more than any other Steeler except perhaps for Harrison.




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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkS View Post
    although it seems more likely that Pgh will make every effort to try and get the rest of the way back under the cap by restructuring the contracts for existing high-priced veterans (like Ben). But that's a temporary solution, and only pushed the remaining cap-overages into future seasons.
    They restructured Roethlisberger last August to get under the cap.
    As you say, it's not a real solution, just pushes the issue forward

    The veteran quarterback has agreed to restructure his contract to help the defending AFC champions get under the $120.4 million cap.

    Ryan Tollner, Roethlisberger's agent, said the team approached the two-time Super Bowl winner about the deal, but added it would not affect the length or the money involved in the eight-year, $102 million deal the quarterback signed in 2008.

    "We've reviewed it and agreed to it," Tollner said Monday.
    And now ask Ben to restructure again?
    What a mess




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    Maybe he can become a professional dance instructor now. That seems to be the only thing he can win nowadays.




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    Re: Hines Ward to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    And Randy Moss. You have to include him as well since he retired.
    Yup. So many guys at that spot had huge numbers in this era.
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