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    Quote Originally Posted by knots View Post
    Tebow has plenty uf support-- Thomas is better then either Jones or White. the only skill position where the Falcons are much better is TE....Tebow's issues surround his ability to play the position....

    What Tebow did today causes me to shake my head a bit....he took advantage of the steelers' inability to play disciplined defense....Just about every time the steelers gambled, they lost.....The steelers safties were exposed as was Ike Taylor....
    Thomas better than White? What do you base that on, this weeks games? In the last five year you will struggle to find five WRs who has been more consistent than White.




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    Quote Originally Posted by psuasskicker View Post
    sigh...

    Both QBs have sucked in the post-season. The difference is, the team around Flacco is much better than the team around Ryan.

    - C -
    Defensively, I'd say absolutely the Ravens have a significantly better D. Offensively, I'd say that is flat out wrong. Outside of Ray Rice the Falcons have better receivers, a better pass blocking OL, the greatest TE of all time, and Michael Turner is no slouch.

    It doesn't matter though. I hate the excuse that Flacco has a better team around him that Matt Ryan does and that's why Flacco has been successful in the playoffs and Ryan hasn't.

    You are what you are and right now Matt Ryan sucks in outdoor stadiums and sucks in the playoffs. Flacco has gotten statistically better each year in the playoffs, but still has yet to really put together an entirely consistent playoff appearance. However, he hasn't exactly lost playoff games for the Ravens either. The INT against Pittsburgh last year definitely hurt, but you cannot argue that the entire team shit the bed by letting Antonio Brown get a retarded helmet catch on 3rd and impossible, Rice giving up a fumble, Boldin dropping a sure TD pass, and TJ dropping a game-extending pass that hit him in the hands when he was wide open. It's not like Flacco is incapable of making plays. Do you think Roddy White or Jones would have dropped those passes last year? I'm not so sure.

    Let's see how this SB run goes, shall wek?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    Just taking this part of your post, and disagreeing. 54 catches for 959 yds (17.8 per) and 8 TDs seems like a better than solid rookie season to me. While I know he "cost" more than Torrey Smith, TS had 50 catches for 841 yds (16.8 per) and 7 TDs, but we're ecstatic about it. I think you're underplaying Julio Jones' contribution to the Falcons offense... Bc
    Agreed. His presence alone takes attention away from Roddy White and Gonzalez.
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    That team around Ryan doesn't mean jack when the offense can't put up any points. They were in the game, but the offense couldn't do anything.




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    The Umenyiora sack in the 2nd half summed up the entirety of the game IMO. He pushed the LT back into Ryan, grabbed Ryan around the LT (Svitek I think?) and tackled both Svitek and Ryan at the same time. Now, Umenyiora is 255-260lbs. Svitek is 6'7" and easily 320lbs. He got punked HARD.

    The Falcons gave up early when the Giants stuffed them on 4th and short. Ryan played scared and conservative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Defensively, I'd say absolutely the Ravens have a significantly better D. Offensively, I'd say that is flat out wrong. Outside of Ray Rice the Falcons have better receivers, a better pass blocking OL, the greatest TE of all time, and Michael Turner is no slouch.

    It doesn't matter though. I hate the excuse that Flacco has a better team around him that Matt Ryan does and that's why Flacco has been successful in the playoffs and Ryan hasn't.

    You are what you are and right now Matt Ryan sucks in outdoor stadiums and sucks in the playoffs. Flacco has gotten statistically better each year in the playoffs, but still has yet to really put together an entirely consistent playoff appearance. However, he hasn't exactly lost playoff games for the Ravens either. The INT against Pittsburgh last year definitely hurt, but you cannot argue that the entire team shit the bed by letting Antonio Brown get a retarded helmet catch on 3rd and impossible, Rice giving up a fumble, Boldin dropping a sure TD pass, and TJ dropping a game-extending pass that hit him in the hands when he was wide open. It's not like Flacco is incapable of making plays. Do you think Roddy White or Jones would have dropped those passes last year? I'm not so sure.

    Let's see how this SB run goes, shall wek?
    I hate that argument as well and would even argue that the last 2 years their defense has greatly improved and narrowed that gap (ranked 12th overall in 10 and 11). This goes back to the progressed/regressed debate. As I have said I think Flacco has progressed even if his stats regressed. I havent watched nearly as much of Ryan's games, but ive come to pretty much the exact opposite conclusion with him, as his stats have gone up, but really i dont see any progress as a player if not regression. I would have thought the addition of Jones would have done more for them than it has, but the argument that we have a better team, atleast offensively, is absurd. We havent had their talent at WR before the addition of Jones let alone now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    I hate that argument as well and would even argue that the last 2 years their defense has greatly improved and narrowed that gap (ranked 12th overall in 10 and 11). This goes back to the progressed/regressed debate. As I have said I think Flacco has progressed even if his stats regressed. I havent watched nearly as much of Ryan's games, but ive come to pretty much the exact opposite conclusion with him, as his stats have gone up, but really i dont see any progress as a player if not regression. I would have thought the addition of Jones would have done more for them than it has, but the argument that we have a better team, atleast offensively, is absurd. We havent had their talent at WR before the addition of Jones let alone now.
    Stats are overated and the Denver/Steeler game proved it. Wait till next Monday and it would be a fair time to say who is the better QB.Winning is the only stat that means anything. Win and you advance, lose and you go home to rest for next season.. Right now, the falcons are getting ready for the off season, not by their choice.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    I hate that argument as well and would even argue that the last 2 years their defense has greatly improved and narrowed that gap (ranked 12th overall in 10 and 11). This goes back to the progressed/regressed debate. As I have said I think Flacco has progressed even if his stats regressed. I havent watched nearly as much of Ryan's games, but ive come to pretty much the exact opposite conclusion with him, as his stats have gone up, but really i dont see any progress as a player if not regression. I would have thought the addition of Jones would have done more for them than it has, but the argument that we have a better team, atleast offensively, is absurd. We havent had their talent at WR before the addition of Jones let alone now.
    Ryan in a dome with 2 stud WRs and HoF TE - Ryan SHOULD have better stats than Flacco.

    The fact that they were neck and neck before this year says a lot. And Ryan only got more stats this year because of Jones breaking big plays, padding Ryan's stats, and Turner wearing down at the end of the year forcing ATL to throw more.

    Julio made several 20 yards passes into 40-80 yard TDs via YAC. The only catch Ryan directly hit Julio in the endzone was the 50 yard luck ass bomb in Indy. Every other Julio TD came as a result of Julio doing his own YAC.

    Meanwhile, Flacco hit Torrey in the endzone several times - Flacco did the work placing the ball - he didn't rely on Torrey's YAC to score the TD.

    Things like this don't show up in the stats - but if you watch the games you know how certain TDs were scored. Flacco hit Torrey in the endzone - Ryan hit Julio and Julio ran and did the work. Both show up as yards and TDs...but one version reflects back more positively for the QB that hit his WR in the endzone vs the WR getting the TD via YAC.

    Julio helped Ryan's stats big time this year, because of his own personal gamebreaking play - not because of Ryan's passes. Torrey got his TDs largely because Flacco hit him in the Endzone on deep balls.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Ryan in a dome with 2 stud WRs and HoF TE - Ryan SHOULD have better stats than Flacco.

    The fact that they were neck and neck before this year says a lot. And Ryan only got more stats this year because of Jones breaking big plays, padding Ryan's stats, and Turner wearing down at the end of the year forcing ATL to throw more.

    Julio made several 20 yards passes into 40-80 yard TDs via YAC. The only catch Ryan directly hit Julio in the endzone was the 50 yard luck ass bomb in Indy. Every other Julio TD came as a result of Julio doing his own YAC.

    Meanwhile, Flacco hit Torrey in the endzone several times - Flacco did the work placing the ball - he didn't rely on Torrey's YAC to score the TD.

    Things like this don't show up in the stats - but if you watch the games you know how certain TDs were scored. Flacco hit Torrey in the endzone - Ryan hit Julio and Julio ran and did the work. Both show up as yards and TDs...but one version reflects back more positively for the QB that hit his WR in the endzone vs the WR getting the TD via YAC.

    Julio helped Ryan's stats big time this year, because of his own personal gamebreaking play - not because of Ryan's passes. Torrey got his TDs largely because Flacco hit him in the Endzone on deep balls.
    Another thing is that the NFC South isn't exactly known for stellar defensive units.

    The Steelers and Bengals have arguably two of the top rated defensive units in the NFL and Flacco plays them twice a year in the elements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Another thing is that the NFC South isn't exactly known for stellar defensive units.

    The Steelers and Bengals have arguably two of the top rated defensive units in the NFL and Flacco plays them twice a year in the elements.
    Don't leave out the Browns - their Run D sucks but their pass D is decent with Haden.

    In fact, Pitt, Cleveland and Cincy were top 10 in passing D this year.

    Flacco played 9/11 of the top 11 passing DEFs this year, excluding our own team. Pitt, Cleve, Houston, St. Louis, Jets, KC, Jacksonville, Cincy, Seattle.

    Ryan played maybe 3 of those teams.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Don't leave out the Browns - their Run D sucks but their pass D is decent with Haden.

    In fact, Pitt, Cleveland and Cincy were top 10 in passing D this year.

    Flacco played 9/11 of the top 11 passing DEFs this year, excluding our own team. Pitt, Cleve, Houston, St. Louis, Jets, KC, Jacksonville, Cincy, Seattle.

    Ryan played maybe 3 of those teams.
    I didn't include Cleveland because I don't buy the top rated pass defense thing. I think that was more of a result of them being so bad at stopping the run that not many teams really passed on them because they didn't have to.

    However, I think Cleveland has some good players and certainly Joe Haden is one of them. I just don't believe that their "top rated" pass defense could shut down a team like New Orleans or New England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I didn't include Cleveland because I don't buy the top rated pass defense thing. I think that was more of a result of them being so bad at stopping the run that not many teams really passed on them because they didn't have to.

    However, I think Cleveland has some good players and certainly Joe Haden is one of them. I just don't believe that their "top rated" pass defense could shut down a team like New Orleans or New England.
    Yeah I have the same suspicions regarding Cleveland, but the stats are what they are.

    Even without Cleveland Flacco still played way more of the top passing D's than Ryan did. Mostly outside. In real weather.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Yeah I have the same suspicions regarding Cleveland, but the stats are what they are.

    Even without Cleveland Flacco still played way more of the top passing D's than Ryan did. Mostly outside. In real weather.
    Yup. Jets and Niners for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Ryan in a dome with 2 stud WRs and HoF TE - Ryan SHOULD have better stats than Flacco.

    The fact that they were neck and neck before this year says a lot. And Ryan only got more stats this year because of Jones breaking big plays, padding Ryan's stats, and Turner wearing down at the end of the year forcing ATL to throw more.

    Julio made several 20 yards passes into 40-80 yard TDs via YAC. The only catch Ryan directly hit Julio in the endzone was the 50 yard luck ass bomb in Indy. Every other Julio TD came as a result of Julio doing his own YAC.

    Meanwhile, Flacco hit Torrey in the endzone several times - Flacco did the work placing the ball - he didn't rely on Torrey's YAC to score the TD.

    Things like this don't show up in the stats - but if you watch the games you know how certain TDs were scored. Flacco hit Torrey in the endzone - Ryan hit Julio and Julio ran and did the work. Both show up as yards and TDs...but one version reflects back more positively for the QB that hit his WR in the endzone vs the WR getting the TD via YAC.

    Julio helped Ryan's stats big time this year, because of his own personal gamebreaking play - not because of Ryan's passes. Torrey got his TDs largely because Flacco hit him in the Endzone on deep balls.
    Id agree with that. Jones obviously helped, but not as much as i would have assumed he would have. The YAC is good point about the QBs. torrey and Jones had very similar seasons, but i think if we added Jones instead hed have had a greater impact on our offense than he did in ATL which i think directly effects matt ryan. Flacco is hands down a better QB in this debate, and his records and stats (up until this year) have shown that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    Id agree with that. Jones obviously helped, but not as much as i would have assumed he would have. The YAC is good point about the QBs. torrey and Jones had very similar seasons, but i think if we added Jones instead hed have had a greater impact on our offense than he did in ATL which i think directly effects matt ryan. Flacco is hands down a better QB in this debate, and his records and stats (up until this year) have shown that.
    Julio missed about 4 games due to injury this year too.

    He would have been the #1 rookie WR over AJ green if he didn't get hurt IMO.

    Right now its AJ, Julio, Torrey. But Aj and Julio were both top 10 picks. We got good production out of Torrey compared to AJ and Julio and draft order.




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